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I've kept rather quiet regarding my thoughts on the closure of AppleVis and I'm honestly not sure how prudent it would be for me to share my opinions about the team's decision to close the community but I'm in a place right now where I'm willing to do it.
I've been in situations where I've eithered owned or co-moderated discussion groups and at one point I felt the need to pass on those responsibilities to others. I had different reasons for wanting to do this but I wanted to at least try to get others to take over those groups rather than letting them disappear. Fortunately, I found people willing to take over the Zoom Users Group and the Office Accessibility group. The Braille Display Users Group already had an owner and moderator so all I had to do was to let him know that I felt I could no longer continue my duties as co-mod. I never once looked back after letting those groups go, which only reinforced the fact that I had made the right decision. I'll also admit that I feel quite differently about the Tech-VI list. I have very high standards for how that list should be operated and if I ever felt that I had to let go of Tech-VI I would not just give it to anyone who wanted it. I would only consider passing it on to someone who would run it with equally high standards, if not higher, than my own. I know of two people who I would trust to take on that project and I doubt that either of them would want it. Because of this, it is likely that Tech-VI will stop if I ever decide that I can't do it anymore or when I pass on to eternity. The point is that I understand the importance of passing on a project that you've started. I understand how and why doing so can be very easy and why it can also seem almost impossible. All of this being said, AppleVis became a huge resource, bigger than its founder, and I wish that he would have at least considered attempting to pass on the project to trustworthy and competent individuals. This is a terrible loss in the blindness community.
in reply to David Goldfield

Well said. I tried voicing the very same thing and was shot down. The blind community is quite harsh.
in reply to Martin in Toronto

I'm sorry to hear that was your experience. Perhaps it will be mine, as well. You know, I don't know David Goodwin. I'm not judging him as a bad person. In fact, while I never founded a project anywhere as massive as AppleVis, I greatly empathize with him regarding how moderating online groups can really take a toll on one's mental health. This was one reason why I specifically gave up the Braille Display Users Group. I really get it and sometimes pulling yourself away from a project is the best thing you can do, for yourself as well as for others involved with the project. He was not wrong to do that. I just think that when you have a project which is as important, unique and valuable as AppleVis it isn't in the best interest of the community to just let it die with only thirty days notice without even attempting to recruit a replacement team. Perhaps they did attempt to do this and I'm just not aware of it. I keep my eyes open for blindness tech-related announcements on a variety of channels, however, and I never encountered any requests for such assistance. Of course, if you ask for assistance and receive none from the community then that's a totally different scenario. Pulling away from the project was clearly the right decision for Mr. Goodwin and for that he has my complete support. That doesn't mean that I support how it was done and, for the record, I don't.
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in reply to David Goldfield

I agree with this. Let me just add that I have had a huge amount of help from the site but nobody knows that except me. I have never signed up for it, never posted on any forum, never done anything except send requests to the site's server and receive responses. The point I'm trying to make is that the site has helped a huge number of people, I would be stunned if people like me were even in a small minority, without any indication that it has done so. I was amused to note that when I wrote to Apple accessibility a few days ago, they weren't able to answer my question but pointed me towards AppleVis. That, of course, didn't help, I had already done my research on the site before my first message to Apple, but it does show how important the site was and, if I may use the term, how quietly important it was.
in reply to David Goldfield

I actually think it is so big and so important that Apple themselves should support it
in reply to David Goldfield

I’m with you on this all the way. #Applevis is a wonderful, I might even say indispensable, resource that’s just going away. This goes back a very long way, but do you happen to remember when the founder of JFWLite passed away unexpectedly and left that site hanging? This feels a lot like that.
in reply to Kevin LaRose He/Him

@Thumper1964 If my memory is correct, and I'm not sure that it is, you might be referring to someone whose name, I believe, was something like Debbie Scales. I do remember hearing about it. JFWLite was definitely an important resource. I think one difference is that its founder didn't make a deliberate choice to just close the site without intending to pass it onto others. In that case, as you say, the founder passed away, perhaps unexpectedly, and there was likely no plan to transition the project to others.
in reply to David Goldfield

Very well said David. I completely agree with you. I think it is not in anyone's best interest to take on a project all by himself. No one is invincible and the best projects are ones where there is collaboration, using each person's strengths and gifts to share the load. so, I hope whatever happens, the person who keeps things alive on a similar platform should absolutely share the load, delegate, and put things in place in case things go sideways. The website has been invaluable to me and the students I teach. Here is hoping that content stays readable somewhere and that a similar platform can develop for the community.