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Okay, I grudgingly bought a #Sonos system years ago because it was just convenient.
The latest update is terrible and breaks all local features - no library, no local services, all search goes to their servers. (Even though they explicitly stated ~2 months ago that v1 search would remain.)
Whatever their business model is it doesn't seem to include customers.

Now what do I replace it with?

in reply to Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

Oh my, a 1.6 rating on the Google store and dropping. Seems I'm not the only very annoyed customer.
Did they not do any testing prior to rollout?
They had a great product and the only thing they had to do was not break it and the occasional refresh.
Seriously, #Sonos is a study in "How not to tech".

#enshittification, but to what end?

Normally there's at least a business case.

in reply to Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

Maybe Lyrion Music Server would be something for you. For Players you then could have a couple Raspberry Pis with PiCorePlayer installed and whichever speakers you'd like. The Setup is a little more involved but I personally don't look back after about 6 weeks worth of testing. Stopped using streaming services for good though. But read that some streaming services are supported with LMS. Maybe that helps.
in reply to WestphalDenn

@WestphalDenn Oh nice, that looks fairly robust as well. Are you using it with a DAC?

(I wonder if anyone is selling pre-built player hardware boxes.)

in reply to Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

At the moment I have a Raspberry Pi 4 connected with 3,5 mm to my Sonos 5 and another Raspberry Pi Zero W with a USB Soundcard and cheap PC-Speakers. So far everything works. There are Raspberry Pi+DAC-Options but I think you have to put the OS on them yourself. That however is really easy.
in reply to WestphalDenn

@WestphalDenn Ah, yeah, a USB DAC would probably work well enough.

Only thing missing then might be a line-in & rebroadcast for external devices (such as my TV set). I wonder if that's a thing?

What I also can't see is if it does multi-room sync.

(Sorry for the questions.)

in reply to Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

I am not aware of a Line-In-Option. But Idid not look for that specifically. That however only comes into play, if you want your TV-Sound in multiple rooms. My TV is just connected to a standalone AV-Receiver. Streaming music to multiple rooms works very fine in my experience.
in reply to Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

I've been looking for a #sonos replacement too. But I haven't found anything better yet. Looked like the #denon home line (using the #HEOS system) would be a good contender but it turns out it is even worse. Way less features and a broken local library feature (only supports SMB v1 protocol, which is ancient and insecure) so I stick with sonos for now, using the previous app version with auto updates disabled.
in reply to Lennart Hengstmengel

@lhengstmengel If you are willing to put a little bit of work in, Lyrion Music Server and a couple of PiCorePlayers might work for you. I tested that for about 6 weeks now and honestly don't look back. Selling my Sonos-stuff in the near future cause the SONOS 5 is only used with it's 3,5 mm input nowadays.
in reply to Lennart Hengstmengel

@lhengstmengel I’ll be looking into Plex Media Server maybe to reduce the dependency on Sonos’ software stack. (The hardware has mostly been great.) And the Plex apps look really well-designed and feature-rich.
in reply to John Ulrik

@ujay68 @lhengstmengel I'm not sure I'm going to be replacing Sonos with another proprietary solution unless they make a credible pledge to not fuck me over like Sonos keeps doing.
I've got thousands of euros invested into that hardware, and I don't want to end up here again.
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in reply to Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

Very true in the long term. For me, Plex looks like a convenient (okay, 🙈) and relatively low-priced alternative. Plus, it might give me something extra which I’ve wanted from Sonos since like forever: stream library music directly to your non-Sonos devices like iPads etc. I don’t have any actual experience yet, but it looks to me like they’re listening to their user community at least for now.
in reply to John Ulrik

@ujay68 I've got the streaming bits covered (both #jellyfin and #navidrome work great for me, still trying to pick one, and they also have mobile clients).

What I need replacements for is the actual multi-room + TV speaker setups, which Plex doesn't have.

(Addendum: prior to Sonos's new version from hell, with #bonob I could even easily connect my library with that platform.)

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in reply to Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷

Thanks for the pointers. Re: Multi-room – AFAIK, you can either add your Plex Media Server as a streaming server to Sonos, or if you use Apple devices, you can use AirPlay from there, including multi-room
in reply to John Ulrik

@ujay68 Plex then still runs some the API (the searches, at least) through Sonos's cloud services, which, no, just no. It's also a paid subscription service that isn't FLOSS.

And Apple is banned in this household, they're even more locked down than Sonos.

If I'm going to rip out thousands of Euros of hardware (and replace them), I'm not going to fall for a future #enshittification yet again :)