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Fedora Flatpaks is fun!
bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.c…
Their Fractal flatpak (and RPM) is apparently broken because of switching a compiler. Why, you ask? because the compiler website has a 'Free Palestine' bit on it, and they claimed that this is antisemitism (lol)
Unfortunately, the blatant antisemitism throughout the SASS language site does not exactly endear me to the language as a whole, and certainly not their implementation thereof. grass seems to be independent of that, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
sass-lang.com/
God forbid caring about people in Gaza I guess? God forbid not wanting the West Bank to be colonized I guess?
#fedora #flatpaks #freepalestine
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This is going to be a multi-part reply
I don't know how to fully speak to the inherent unease in the presumption about how a technical decision was influenced by non-technical personal opinions.
I would certainly prefer that geopolitical concerns would not leak into technical discussions, exactly because of what that does to create uncertainty into whether or not a decision is being made for technically sound reasons..
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With that said,
Having reviewed the totality of the comments, and given the fact that grass is the implementation already in use by the flathub flatpak as mentioned in a earlier ticket comment, grass would have been the implementation I would have chosen to use as the rpm fix,.
I think that is a reasonable defensible technical rationale expressed in the full set of comments to lean towards grass among an otherwise coin flip choice.
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this post wasn't motivated by technical reasons
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to clarify on that: we're not stating that using grass over Dart SASS was the incorrect technical decision, nor are we advocating to use Dart SASS over grass. We take issue with the comment calling that banner antisemitic. The technical outcome is only a coincidence, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what the post is outlining.
I don't know if this will make you feel better, but as a side note: I'm aware that it is your duty as the Fedora Project Leader to protect Fedora's reputation, and as such you need to be extremely careful with what you say online as it could cost your job. For that, you have all my sympathies; I won't assume you're sidestepping these issues out of malice.
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To be even more explicit, what we (at least me) are asking the Fedora project to do is to remove this sentence from the bugzilla: "the blatant antisemitism throughout the SASS language site". The sentence is slander without proof against the SASS project.
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I understand the motivation and the subtext.
I'm speaking specifically to your stated concern regarding the presumption about how a technical decision was made because that is something I may be able to provide some measure of reassurance on review.
Unfortunately I don't have the skillset to end disagreements over personal opinions about geopolitical concerns in online text communication channels. I'm not sure anyone does.
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2373009 – Missing UI Elements
bugzilla.redhat.comTheEvilSkeleton 🇮🇳 🏳️⚧️
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I was about to say it's better than nothing, but at this point I'm not really sure if it is actually better; in fact, I think it's significantly worse. All I can see happening with an unpunishing warning is it'll shut him up, but it won't change in any way that he's a dangerous person to keep around and will upset Palestinians.
Source: a friend of mine who's largely affected by this is considering protesting as a contributor, and will probably migrate to another distribution if it goes nowhere.
(I'm not asking you to do anything; it's not my call, but I just fail to see the effectiveness of a warning)
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Jef Spaleta
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I appreciate the concerns expressed. And it pains me deeply that someone may feel less safe because of an emotive comment in any Fedora project space. If you or your friend would like to contact the Fedora CoC committee with their concerns, the committee may be able to talk through the concerns more fully than I can here.
There's like 1200 more characters of nuance i want to add here, but I've got like 9 left so I cant.
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no, you're misinterpreting the inherent problem outlined by the post. What you're pointing out is a minor irrelevant technical detail, without addressing in any way that they called the Free Palestine banner antisemitic.
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TheEvilSkeleton 🇮🇳 🏳️⚧️
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the technical outcome is merely a coincidence — supporting/justifying genocide just because it's "antisemitic" is not purely an ideological belief (as you put it), nor should it be disregarded just because it's not inherently technical; it's supporting genocide and that alone should not be tolerated.
In any case, you've once again completely missed the point of the inherent problem this post outlines
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in reply to Benjamin Kwiecień 🇵🇸 • • •for what it's worth, several Red Hat employees are strongly opposed to this. I know a few Fedora contributors who are also opposed to this — and I'm sure we'd be able to find a lot more people in the community to oppose such views. By opposed I mean on the political level
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