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Given the recent Telegram scandal, we've updated our review of WhatsApp alternatives. 👉 tuta.com/de/blog/best-whatsapp…

What's your take? Should we drop Telegram completely? 🤔

Which is your favorite replacement for WhatsApp?

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@simplex SimpleX
no ID's like other apps 👍
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Hasn't Element had multiple security audits? Why is it an X on that front?
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finally, but you still haven't updated signal and others
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It's extremely generous to say an app that requires providing your phone number is "anonymous", especially while giving an app that doesn't require any PII the exact same rating. 🧐
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dang I'm just now realised we have much more alternatives besides WhatsApp
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I see a big error to call messengers like Telegram or Signal to be "anonymous" when they require at least an active SIM card to set up an account

Getting an anonymous SIM is impossible in most countries now

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What do you think of @Jami ? It has the advantage that it does not require servers because it is peer to peer.
@Jami
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Telegram video calls are e2e encrypted. And you can have also e2e chat.
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The most salient property is probably governance model and diversity of funding. Telegram can be leveraged easier because it is privately owned and top-down. It is harder to pressure an elected board esp. if members are in different countries. The technical component has to be solid, but that doesn't mean much if one person controls everything; c.f. the xz backdoor.

I'd suggest replacing the 'anonymous' column with 'requires PII'.

I prefer Matrix, but haven't heard of some of these.

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Also mir gefällt #SimpleX am besten. Danach kommt #Signal. Dann nichts mehr.

Ich bin dafür, dass ihr Telegram entfernt.

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Just a note that Signal is tied to a phone number. For that reason it can't be installed onto a computer or a tablet as a standalone option, only as an extention of a smart phone. Doesn't seem completely anonymous to me.
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You're missing a very important column: Is it possible to join the network by running your own SERVER?

Any network that depends on a centrally controlled server has a single point of failure. (Yes, this is a recommendation of Element/Matrix.)

Also, ideally, identities should be possible to migrate like they (sort of) are on Mastodon and friends.

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signal is not anonymous. The phone number can be associated with your name.
I think part of the evaluation process should be the location of their servers.

Teleguard from swisscows has absolutely no association with your phone number and their servers are in Switzerland.

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The one and only #Threema ofc ❤️ Stopped using shitty WA for about 3+ years and very happy about it 😉
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Telegram video calls are End To End Encrypted and Telegram client apps are FOSS.
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I would want to add @briar to the list. Not my daily go to but a great option when the cellular network is unavailable.
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I think that you should drop Telegram completely. After the arrest of the Telegram founder, the founder agreed to hand over IP addresses and phone numbers from users who use his encrypted messanging platform to authorities on legal request. Here is the full privacy policy of Telegram: telegram.org/privacy?setln=en
You can find this info in section 8 in privacy policy.
Also Telegram is not end to end encrypted for audio and video calls, and for messages you need to enable it manually.
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the thing is WhatsApp and Telegram are actually Social Networks so none of them is true Alternative. If you speak about privacy messenger than you should remove Telegram because what I sad already is a social network and Telegram have so many features and just one of them have something to do with privacy. Have you a list with privacy friendly Social Networks ?
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certainly no telegram, if possible. but it became more than just messenger, unfortunately.

if it should be a channel, i guess matrix kinda works. maybe with Chinny client?

if (open) group chats, matrix as well. also signal, but the problem with signal is that it requires phone number (even if you can hide it).

if private messages, signal and matrix; simpleX seems nice, even though i didn't try it. threema is not free, so not everyone will be able to use it.

signal and matrix have their problems, but they're WAY better than telegram kremlingram.

don't know about wire and session much, can't really say anything about them.