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@nicoco
Where's the incentive for people to switch to XMPP if they can communicate with me there without having to leave #WhatsApp, #Signal, #Telegram, and whatever other bridges there are?

People don't like change, worse even, they actively resist it. I have friends and family on #Snikket, who are on each other's roster, but amongst themselves they _still_ use WhatsApp!

I'm under no illusion that they are only on Snikket to humour me.

And the only friend who took me up on my offer to set up his own Snikket server for his family, and recently closed his WhatsApp account, is migrating all his contacts to… 🥁🥁🥁 Signal! Because it's 'easier' to get them on Signal than XMPP. My suggestion to recommend #Quicksy as an easy way to get people onto XMPP went unanswered.

People hate change and love silos. Replace WhatsApp with Signal, X with Bluesky, Windows with macOS, Android with iOS, iOS with Android…

I give up 🤷🏻‍♂️.

@snikket_im
@nathanveenstra
@zash @raucao

#signal #whatsapp #telegram #quicksy #snikket @Râu Cao ⚡ @Snikket @Zash @Nicoco @Nathan Veenstra

I think #Signal seems to be a really good app. Both from UX perspective and privacy (as far I've heard from others).

But it's still US software hq:ed in Mountain View California (with Alphabet, Google, LinkedIn), so switching to it does nothing (0) towards European digital independence. It doesn't help promote the emergence of strong European alternatives to US tech. It actually does the opposite when the European alternatives miss out on an influx of new users.
#digitalsovereignty #diday

#signal #digitalsovereignty #diday

The only relevant feature for any instant messaging app (or social app, for that matter) is: Are my friends using it? People will gladly overlook minor inconsistencies or missing features as long as they can communicate with their friends. We shouldn’t recommend #Signal as a stepping stone before Jabber/XMPP becomes "good enough," if goodness is defined by the number of people using it.

#Jabber #XMPP #Conversations_im

#xmpp #signal #Jabber #conversations_im

that rocks! :hearthands:

#DeltaChat FTW!

It has proven harder to block than #Signal and #Matrix in multiple countries and emergencies, right?

#matrix #signal #deltachat

#signal #whatsapp #sovereign #digitalSovereignity #digitalindependence

"#Signal isn’t just AWS."

Correct, it uses AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, Cloudflare and Cloudflare's DNS servers hard-coded.

#signal

#Signal is bridge technology.

Today, you cannot tell non-techie people to choose from a #XMPP provider on their own, because they would have struggle to do so.

I suggest we continue delivering basic IT knowledge to those who are interested and ask things. All the others are doomed in any case.

#xmpp #signal

Recommending #Signal is like giving a man a slightly less poisonous fish. Introducing them to federated, provider independent instant messaging with #XMPP is teaching them how to fish.
#xmpp #signal

RE: gultsch.social/@daniel/1135490…

#Signal isn’t just AWS. It also has a hard dependency on Google’s push notification system (FCM) if you don’t want your battery to catch fire.

Signal’s attitude towards #UnifiedPush and #FDroid speaks volumes.

Daniel Gultsch

2024-11-26 11:29:14

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I installed #Signal and #Conversations_im on a clean install of #GrapheneOS on my Pixel 4a and measured the battery impact. The results are shocking!

Both messengers had only one contact: my regular phone.

I used my regular phone to send messages to the Pixel 4a (which was not used for anything else over the course of the experiment).

I always sent the same message via Signal and #XMPP (mixing up which app went first). In total I sent ~32 messages in intervals of 10mins to a few hours.

Battery usage stats from an Android phone. The battery is down to 10% after 20 hours since last full charge. Signal has consumed 95% in that period and Conversations 5%

#fdroid #signal #UnifiedPush

RE: social.tchncs.de/@restless/115…

Wenn wir das mit der digitalen Unabhängigkeit ernst meinen ist #Signal einfach nur eine Ablenkung.

#Quicksy hingegen ist ein wirklicher Schritt in die richtige Richtung. Quicksy ist so konzipiert, dass man darüber hinaus wächst und ein nahtloser Übergang zu #Conversations_im möglich ist.
Quicksy ist die Einstiegsdroge für wirklich unabhängiges Instant Messaging mit #XMPP.

Restless (@restless@social.tchncs.de)

Der #DiDay und die Messenger - Eine einfache Lösung? Schön wäre ja, wenn mehr Menschen zu offenen, föderierten Messengern wie Matrix oder XMPP wechseln würden. Die grösste Hürde bleibt oft: Menschen finden. Ich habe nun Quicksy ausprobiert.
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#xmpp #signal #conversations_im #quicksy

#signal #deltachat @Delta Chat

#Signal a deux défauts, et ils sont politiques :

- Il est étasunien;
- Il est centralisé.

C'est là où #Deltachat pourrait sortir son épingle du jeu. Je songe à y migrer. En attendant, je suis sur Signal depuis cinq ans et j'y reste; c'est déjà difficile de convaincre mon entourage…

Je pense que #Matrix, bien qu'ultra-sécurisé, est trop complexe pour ma mère; il restera sous-utilisé, à moins qu'on ne trouve une façon de l'encapsuler dans quelque chose de plus simple.

Suis-je seul à penser ça?

#matrix #signal #deltachat

I really hope that @Mer__edith comes to #FOSDEM and announces that #Signal will move at least parts of their server infrastructure to Europe and other regions, using hosting companies that are not connected to the US in order to mitigate the risk of a Trump order to shut their AWS account(s) down.
#signal #fosdem @Meredith Whittaker

Manchmal kotzt mich Mastodon auch sehr an. Post über #Signal Nutzung in #Dänemark. Uhh aber #XMPP kannste selber hosten, muste nur hier kurz noch Plugin für OMEMO installieren, funktioniert die hälfte der Zeit nicht aber nutz XMPP, warum nicht Matrix, hmm?, haha nutzen US Server sind die dumm? haha benutz halt tool xyz das keine Sau benutzt. Meine Fresse..
#xmpp #signal #danemark

#xmpp #signal #whatsapp #Jabber #chat #community #decentralised #rtc #instantmessaging #icq #msn #realtimecommunication

OS: daily driving #Linux for ~2 years.

Email: #Proton for ~6 years, #Tuta for ~1 year (recently switched my business to Tuta)

Password Manager: Proton Pass for most things. Self hosted #Bitwarden for my homeland stuff.

Search: Used #DuckDuckGo and #StartPage for a long time but recently moved to a self hosted instance of #SearXNG

Messenger: Using both #WhatsApp & #Signal.

#linux #signal #whatsapp #duckduckgo #bitwarden #proton #tuta #searxng #startpage

Der #Signal #Messenger ist schon ganz gut.

Aber wieso er in Bezug auf den #DigitalIndependenceDay immer wieder als empfehlenswerte #Alternative genannt wird erschließt sich mir nicht.

Da gibt es meines Wissens doch Andere mit wesentlich weniger digitalen Abhängigkeiten.

#signal #alternative #messenger #digitalindependenceday

я использовал #xmpp месяц,и ... #DeltaChat / #ArcaneChat лучшое что есть❤️🥛
я другие мессенджеры тоже тестировал #Session / #SimplexChat / #Signal ну такие себе,у каждого есть свои жёсткие минусы
#xmpp #signal #session #deltachat #simplexchat #arcanechat

#signal #39c3

Meredith Whittaker (@Mer__edith) has been invited to speak at #39C3 later today. If you make it to the mic in time, here is an interesting question for her: "If I’m put on a boycott list by the Trump regime because I’m openly anti-fascist or oppose war crimes, will you adhere to US laws and block my access to #Signal?"

#DigitalSovereignty #DIDit

#signal #digitalsovereignty #39c3 #didit @Meredith Whittaker

#xmpp #matrix #privacy #askfedi #signal #security #decentralization #poll #polls #deltachat #simplex #securemessaging

I've mentioned this before but SimpleX is more private secure and anonymous that signal threema and session.

SimpleX is decentralised meaning taking down a single group of servers or org wouldnt destroy the simplex network, people can run completely anonymous simplex servers over tor, this puts simplex ahead of Signal and Threema

SimpleX has quantum resistant encryption which puts it ahead of Threema and Session, the UK military[1] and NATO[2] both consider quantum computers to be a threat now because of store now decrypt later attacks

SimpleX has no user identifiers not even random strings, its essentially like having a "burner phone for every contact". Two or more compromised contacts could corroborate your messages by linking them to your signal username or your session id, but with simplex your contacts can't prove your identity even between eachother. This fact puts SimpleX above Signal Threema and Session

These technical details about the simplex protocol can all be found on the project website including the whitepaper

[3]
[1]ncsc.gov.uk/whitepaper/prepari…


[2]nato.int/docu/review/articles/…


[3]isdb4l77sjqoy2qq7ipum6x3at6hyn…

#SimpleX #Threema #Signal #Session #PSA #Privacy #Security #Anonymity #NATO #UnitedKingdom #Tor #QuantumResistantEncryption

#privacy #signal #security #NATO #Tor #threema #session #psa #simplex #anonymity #unitedkingdom #quantumresistantencryption

#xmpp #matrix #email #signal #telegram #irc #deltachat #arcanechat

RE: fosstodon.org/@arcanechat/1157…

#ArcaneChat doesn't have delivery receipts, only read receipts, the only automatic responses the app does in your behalf is to handle invite links, for that to be abused you first have to share your invite link with a malicious contact, you can get in contact with random/public entity via their invite link and be safe, as long as it is not you the one sharing your invite link!

In #Signal / #WhatsApp as soon as you contact someone or they guess your number you are vulnerable

ArcaneChat

2025-12-14 09:39:00

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"Tool allows stealthy tracking of #Signal and #WhatsApp users through delivery receipts"

cyberinsider.com/tool-allows-s…

Another privacy vulnerability caused by the dependency on phone numbers.

In #ArcaneChat (and other #chatmail clients like #DeltaChat) you don't need a phone number (or any private data at all!) to register, so such attacks are simply impossible, keep your family safe, join arcanechat.me



Tool allows stealthy tracking of Signal and WhatsApp users through delivery receipts

A new tool named Device Activity Tracker exposes a privacy flaw in WhatsApp and Signal that lets attackers covertly monitor user activity.
Alex Lekander (CyberInsider)

#signal #whatsapp #arcanechat

"Tool allows stealthy tracking of #Signal and #WhatsApp users through delivery receipts"

cyberinsider.com/tool-allows-s…

Another privacy vulnerability caused by the dependency on phone numbers.

In #ArcaneChat (and other #chatmail clients like #DeltaChat) you don't need a phone number (or any private data at all!) to register, so such attacks are simply impossible, keep your family safe, join arcanechat.me


Tool allows stealthy tracking of Signal and WhatsApp users through delivery receipts

A new tool named Device Activity Tracker exposes a privacy flaw in WhatsApp and Signal that lets attackers covertly monitor user activity.
Alex Lekander (CyberInsider)
#signal #whatsapp #deltachat #chatmail #arcanechat

A few things #deltachat apps are doing positively different from #Signal apps

- easiest onboarding ever; not depending on phone numbers or other private data

- support for multiple chat profiles/identities

- decentralized servers, not depending on US-based GAFAM etc.

- migration from one app/platform to any other

- easy multi-device support for any chat profile

- developers have chances to get their PRs merged :)

- mini-apps support via webxdc.org

anything missing?


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#signal #deltachat

Fortunately, getting killed by the CIA by means of predator drone strike is not everybody's threat model. For others - certain French judges for example - a real threat can be getting sanctioned by the US government and completely locked out of US services.

So yes, know your threat model when picking between #Signal and #Conversations_im.

#signal #conversations_im

elegiría mejor #DeltaChat

Quedó comprobado que #Signal utiliza los servidores de Amazon que, al momento de sufrir un colapso, la mensajería quedaría fuera de servicio.

#signal #deltachat

#signal #whatsapp

@bogo It's a good idea. But I have there ca. 500 people and almost all of them don't want to move to either #fediverse or #Signal (or any other "rational" messaging system). They are typically non-IT people and use Facebook and WhatsApp (and possibly Instagram or TikTok).

I am collecting other contact information from them (e-mail addresses, phone numbers...), but it's a long-distance run. When done (in the future), I will leave Facebook completely 😎

#fediverse #signal @Bogomil Shopov - Бого

1) there are bridges ("matterdelta") which provide interop with Matrix, XMPP, Telegrram, ssh and anything that Matterbridge provides. It doesn't preserve end-to-end encryption and so bridging bot choice is tricky.

2) There are growing efforts around 3rd party #chatmail clients chatmail.at/clients. Interoperability is "free" between all chatmail clients (#deltachat being the prominent one). Unlike #Signal we welcome third parties to the party :)


Chatmail: Clients

Chatmail provides FOSS infrastructure for interoperable, secure, speedy and reliable end-to-end encrypted messaging. Check out clients as Arcane Chat, Bots or Delta Chat today!
chatmail.at
#signal #deltachat #chatmail

Countering toxicity and fake takes is not just a technical question (moderation, admins etc) but one of social curation both collectively and privately: which people and groups do you/we trust for what. No tool can automate that.

#deltachat is for private e2ee messaging and mutually curated group chats, and not random social media propelled onboarding. We are with #Signal here and not with #simplex and #matrix who offer public anonymous discovery of large chat groups with lots of unknown folks.

#matrix #signal #deltachat #simplex

#Signal for Desktop v7.78 release notes:

* This update improves accessibility for screen reader users by skipping repeated timestamp announcements when new messages arrive in a thread.
* We also fixed a bug that could prevent notifications from appearing on Windows.

#signal

#signal #signalapp #signalupdates

...but there is one thing that #Deltachat does not provide while it works perfectly fine with #Signal ... the desktop client that works on #FreeBSD and is available in #FreeBSD pkg(8) packages.

The 'web' approach (such as web.whatsapp.com for WhatsApp) would also satisfy my needs - I can use a client in the browser - but if there is no 'native' client and no browser client option for #FreeBSD - that means total NO-GO for me.

https://web.whatsapp.com

Log in to WhatsApp Web for simple, reliable and private messaging on your desktop. Send and receive messages and files with ease, all for free.
web.whatsapp.com
#signal #freebsd #deltachat

So how are you going to disprove the claim that you need hyperscalers when providing a service like #Signal does? Because that is what your post said. But I don’t see you providing a service like Signal does. And I’m sure DeltaChat does good stuff, but I was using PGP for mails 20 years ago. So maybe don’t try do dunk on another service while providing the same metadata protection we had 20 years ago?
#signal

I find it bold stating that #DeltaChat doesn’t need a hyperscaler like #Signal does when it is based on… email servers. Where there is no audio/video calling. Where every sender and recipient server knows who is communicating with whom. Where you need to trust every decentralized server to not keep that information. Maybe be less smug if you can’t provide metadata protection. 🙄 @delta chaos.social/@delta/1154540411…

Delta Chat

2025-10-28 22:01:00

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Signal's president claimed it takes billions to replicate the availability and reliability of "hyperscalers" (AWS/Google/Microsoft/Cloudfare) that Signal uses.

#chatmail and #deltachat are about disproving this claim by

1) making relays super cheap (DONE)

2) enabling chat profiles to use multiple relays redundantly (WIP)

3) distributing relay knowledge among chatters (TBD).

Fat servers, corporate overlords and billionaires: not needed and better to not exist for a convivial e2ee future :)


#signal #deltachat @Delta Chat

TIL that the president of Signal believes that people who run Mastodon and/or Matrix servers do so "in most cases" on hyperscaler* infrastructure.

This is my Mastodon server. And its UPS. And its networked KVM for when things get really hairy.

It's also my Matrix server. And Nextcloud. And Git. And Home-Assistant. And Jellyfin. And SearXNG. And Peertube.

When people objected to her claims, she doubled down and proclaimed condescendingly that we "don't have a clear understanding of this space".

TIL that I don't feel confident in recommending people to use Signal. Something's very off here.

*) "hyperscaler" basically means the big cloud infra providers with provisioning APIs that allow you to scale your resources up/down automatically with usage

#Signal #Mastodon #Matrix #SelfHosting

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#matrix #signal #Mastodon #selfhosting

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