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Not sure if there’s been a more recent update but this post on the future (and past) of Fedora Silverblue is very informative if you’re interested in learning more about this immutable OS that I’m loving so far.

https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2021/09/24/fedora-workstation-our-vision-for-linux-desktop/

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Fedora Workstation: Our Vision for Linux Desktop | Christian F.K. Schaller

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Some Nimrod
Some Nimrod
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I've been meaning to try Silverblue but haven't had an opportunity. Maybe when I purchase a new laptop in a year or two I'll have to give it a try.
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Sven Slootweg
Sven Slootweg
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Honestly, I really dislike their approach, as far as I understand it? It's like it's trying to do *kind of* the same thing as Nix/NixOS are, but instead of providing a robust foundation with building blocks for everybody to use in novel ways (or hell, even building on Nix directly), they implement a really monolithic model with vendored dependencies and "the OS" as a chunk of the system with a privileged status?

Like, I can understand those sort of design choices being made in a corporate environment where there's one authoritative distributor of The System, but it just feels like it's throwing away so much potential in terms of 'democratizing' system management - like, it's trying to treat the symptoms, not the systemic problem underlying them.
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Aral Balkan
Aral Balkan
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Well, this is a distribution by Red Hat aka IBM, so that’s not too surprising.

That said (and my misgivings about IBM are in the public record), it seems like a “works out of the box”, solid, and blazing fast distribution so far.

But yes, your points are entirely valid and it’s a good thing that Nix/NixOS exist for those who want to do those things.
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Sven Slootweg
Sven Slootweg
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That's the thing, though - the value in Nix addressing the problem systemically isn't really for those who use it *directly* (in fact, the current UX is pretty terrible!), but rather for those downstream from people building on top of it, IMO.

That's why it saddens me that Red Hat didn't base their system on Nix - if they had, then they could *still* have produced a solid works-out-of-the-box distribution, but without the huge cliff that now exists where as soon as you want to stray outside of Red Hat-approved territory, you pretty much have to distro-hop to NixOS if you want to retain the stability.

Whereas on a Nix-based system (whether directly or even just implementing the same basic model!) it'd just be a matter of "using the same system primitives that the distro vendor used, for my own thing, and assuming that that'll work correctly".
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James Vasile
James Vasile
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Oh that's interesting. I wonder if there's an immutable approach to Debian floating around.
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Arjen P. de Vries Timmers 🕊️
Arjen P. de Vries Timmers 🕊️
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I've been using fedora coreos on some servers and it's been good. (I hope they - silver blue and coreos - merge into one and the same!)
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Aral Balkan
Aral Balkan
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It’s so new for me that I really can’t comment on the pain points yet apart from how few they’ve been so far. I’m just setting up some development environments with Distrobox and transferring my dotfiles, etc., over so I should have a much better feel for it in about a week. But so far: I love it. It feels solid in a way no other distribution has felt for me yet.
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Aral Balkan
Aral Balkan
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No thanks, I like my computers client-side-scanning free :)

And my current machine, running Fedora Silverblue, is the best computer I’ve used so far, bar none (I used to be on Mac).
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Ged
Ged
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I hear you... However, I'm not too keen with all the RedHat support given to sandboxed (!) flatpaks and binary OS's... I still put my trust in the community than independent developers or select OS compilers. Just my two cents...
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