This is why people don't support big media. Greta Thunberg was kidnapped. Point blank. Was on international waters. Israel is not the world Police. They do not have jurisdiction in international waters. That is kidnapping. No denying it. And not a single large media corporation is mentioning that. What the hell is wrong with this world? #news #gaza #israel #usa #aid #climate #international
Is there proof of this? I can't find the GPS coordinates for their last reported location, but Israel's territorial waters extend 12 nautical miles off the coast and they were stopped within visual distance from the Port of Ashdod so I'm pretty sure it wasn't still in international waters
Palestine is not a state. Should there be a two state solution? Yes, I think so, but the rest of the world has not committed to that and put the appropriate pressure on Israel.
As it currently stands, that land is recognized as Israel's and so are those territorial waters.
edit: I should clarify, most of the world does think Palestine should be a state but the only official recognition happens within the UN and the USA has veto power and keeps voting against which stops any progress. Really dumb.
@ibrahim_cris @feld -"no State may validly purport to subject any part of them to its sovereignty. The Convention on the High Seas was used as a foundation for the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), signed in 1982, which recognized exclusive economic zones extending 200 nautical miles (230 mi; 370 km) from the baseline, where coastal states have sovereign rights to the water column and sea floor as well as the natural resources found there."
I was also gonna mention the 200NM boundary but that's really more about natural resources than territory. The territorial waters is a much shorter distance.
@ibrahim_cris @feld tldr Israel only has jurisdiction 200 miles outside of their shore, the aid vessel was both more than 200 mi away from ANY shore, and also was not heading towards Israels' shores, it was heading to Gaza, where Israel does not have jurisdiction either, as Gaza is recognized as an independent state. Even IF they were within 200 miles of the shore of Gaza, Israel still does not have jurisdiction there.
not by the UN, which stupidly is what we have somehow decided is what matters internationally and we likely won't see that change until the USA is dethroned as the world's superpower and the UN is disbanded
@feld @ibrahim_cris They are recognized by the United Nations as a non-member observer State, so they are recognized as a state just not part of the United nations, similar to Taiwan.
good point, but they even lost other rights in the UN in 2020 when they expired
There's also the Oslo Accords...
International agreement on these things is a fucking nightmare
I don't think this is worth arguing the specifics right now. It's easier to just point out that there are no allies stepping in to help Palestine fight back, so if anything that is enough of a signal that governments are OK with Israel denying Palestinian statehood regardless of what they signal in UN votes.
A lot of cruel and cowardly people out there in power
@ibrahim_cris @feld They. do. not. have. power. to. operate. outside. of. their. jurisdiction. Point blank. They are not the world police. They're not allowed to do just whatever they want. There are literally multiple cases going on right now specifically about this blockade because they are operating outside of their jurisdiction.
feld
in reply to Toby! • • •> Was on international waters
Is there proof of this? I can't find the GPS coordinates for their last reported location, but Israel's territorial waters extend 12 nautical miles off the coast and they were stopped within visual distance from the Port of Ashdod so I'm pretty sure it wasn't still in international waters
Hisham
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in reply to Hisham • • •Palestine is not a state. Should there be a two state solution? Yes, I think so, but the rest of the world has not committed to that and put the appropriate pressure on Israel.
As it currently stands, that land is recognized as Israel's and so are those territorial waters.
edit: I should clarify, most of the world does think Palestine should be a state but the only official recognition happens within the UN and the USA has veto power and keeps voting against which stops any progress. Really dumb.
Christian
in reply to feld • • •@feld I like the thought and what Greta try to do - just the International Waters Idea is wrong or fake news.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern…
waters outside of national jurisdiction
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Toby!
in reply to Christian • • •-"no State may validly purport to subject any part of them to its sovereignty. The Convention on the High Seas was used as a foundation for the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), signed in 1982, which recognized exclusive economic zones extending 200 nautical miles (230 mi; 370 km) from the baseline, where coastal states have sovereign rights to the water column and sea floor as well as the natural resources found there."
feld
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in reply to Toby! • • •feld
in reply to Toby! • • •> Gaza is recognized as an independent state
not by the UN, which stupidly is what we have somehow decided is what matters internationally and we likely won't see that change until the USA is dethroned as the world's superpower and the UN is disbanded
so USA keeps vetoing it...
Toby!
in reply to feld • • •feld
in reply to Toby! • • •good point, but they even lost other rights in the UN in 2020 when they expired
There's also the Oslo Accords...
International agreement on these things is a fucking nightmare
I don't think this is worth arguing the specifics right now. It's easier to just point out that there are no allies stepping in to help Palestine fight back, so if anything that is enough of a signal that governments are OK with Israel denying Palestinian statehood regardless of what they signal in UN votes.
A lot of cruel and cowardly people out there in power
Toby!
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in reply to Toby! • • •@feld
They secure some Area cause of Military Operations. And with Power and Force present they do. Point.
I do not like it but i think it is.
However i like what Greta try to do. And think or hope The will change something or minds on both sides with this...
Its just dangerous. And can cost Life.
Toby!
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