You've seen it on Reddit or Hacker News: People complaining their self-hosted emails always end up in the spam folder of Gmail - even if they set up everything correctly. The question being asked: Is Gmail killing independent email? 🧐
https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/gmail-independent-email
Du hast es wahrscheinlich schon auf Reddit & Hacker News gesehen: Leute, die sich beschweren, dass ihre selbst gehosteten E-Mails immer im Spam-Ordner von Gmail landen. Gerechtfertigt oder Missbrauch der Macht? 🧐
https://tutanota.com/de/blog/posts/gmail-independent-email
Is Gmail killing independent email?
People report that self-hosted emails always end up in Gmail spam. Is there anything Google can do about it?Tutanota
Mawoka
in reply to Tuta • • •Mx Amber Alex
in reply to Tuta • • •related:
After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won. (4 Sep 2022)
I read this last year and it argued much the same point.
After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.
cfenollosa.com[moved] stereo griever
in reply to Tuta • • •ecsd
in reply to Tuta • • •YES, Gmail is killing independent providers, but you're about two decades late in complaining.
They keep proprietary block lists and arrogate the right to decide who is a "spammer". Little ISPs don't have the means to sue Gmail for relief. They have forever harassed my domain, and I have to tell my users to tell their gmail contact to whitelist the domain, explicitly.
I can tell them: really? Spam? PROVE IT, show me the offending email. What spam. They can't. It doesn't exist. But they continue to pretend such -- and I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO SUE.
THIS IS AT THE SAME TIME THAT GOOGLE HAD LONG NOW BEEN THE SINGLE LARGEST SOURCE OF DOMESTIC SPAM ON THE INTERNET. Microsoft (wonder of wonders) is second, but in FAR second place.
That is
WE CAN SPAM YOU
but we defend OUR users against what we FALSELY claim is YOUR spam.
The successful class action suit would compel Google to use the SAME filters on their OUTBOUND mail that they use on their INBOUND mail because otherwise they're RACKETEERING, by pretending only they can stop spam, while the other ISPs have to spend time effort and money stopping GOOGLE spam. "Tired of all the spam you get at your ISP? Why not switch?" -- but all that spam CAME FROM YOU ...
Purple
in reply to Tuta • • •:debian: 𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚊 :t_blink:
in reply to Tuta • • •TransitBiker
in reply to Tuta • • •🅺🅸🅼 🆂🅲🅷🆄🅻🆉
in reply to Tuta • • •Julieñ in the Sky
in reply to Tuta • • •question should be : is anybody still seriously using gmail for important matters ? 🤣
Lutin Discret
in reply to Tuta • • •can't #DMA regulation do something about that? Like, a collective action against Google and Microsoft to force them to interop at email level
cc @SuVergnolle
Blort™ 🐀Ⓥ🥷☣️
in reply to Tuta • • •These posts confuse me. I'm not the most technical person around. I'm not the least, either, but certainly not the most. And yet, I've been hosting my own email and talking with people on Gmail fine for years. All I did was set up #Yunohost on a VPS that wasn't chock full of spammers, follow Yunohost's instructions on what to add to the DNS settings, regularly update and... well, that's pretty much it.
Somehow though, social is full of claims that selfhosting email is impossible?
C.
in reply to Tuta • • •Yes, Gmail absolutely makes it difficult to get reliable delivery to Gmail users if you're not on Gmail or one of the other big webmail providers.
My server has never sent spam, ever.
It's had the same IP address for 15 years.
It's not on the DUL or any other list.
It is properly configured for and uses SMTP STARTTLS, DKIM, and SPF.
It has restrictive policies for SPF and DMARC and advertises as such.
It passes all validators.
And deliverability to #Gmail is a complete crapshoot.