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2 months ago

daniel:// stenberg://
2 months ago

I rather not have my Open Source projects' communication live or die at the mercy of Salesforce (Slack).

Seems Kubernetes' slack gets to live for now.

github.com/kubernetes/communit…

community/communication/slack-migration-faq.md at master · kubernetes/community

Kubernetes community content. Contribute to kubernetes/community development by creating an account on GitHub.

^GitHub

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Simon Michalke

in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// 2 months ago

"The CNCF Projects Staff, which includes several long-time Kubernetes contributors, has proposed that we move to Discord."

Apparently they have not learned their lesson.

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Christoffer

in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// 2 months ago

I am totally unaware of what is good, heard about Mattermost as an alternative.
What would you recommend instead, @bagder ?

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Fritz Adalis

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@geerlingguy
So they cut them some... discord?

@Jeff Geerling

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🦃 Kat Callahan 🦃

in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// 2 months ago

As I just attended Kubecon in Tokyo, it seems pretty... antithetical to the underlying ideals of Kubernetes and open source to have its discussion under corporate control.

A move to an open source alternative, and I believe there are several, seems like a no-brainer to me.

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nassau69

in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// 2 months ago

so does that mean you are going to step up and lead the effort to an open source and self hosted alternative?

Otherwise you are just another example of the bad side of open source where people demand the developers do what they want without any consideration of the reality of the project

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okapi

in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// 2 months ago

Like many others, their git repo, issues and bug tracking lives or dies at the whims of Microsoft. Gitlab already moved some things projects used behind a subscription. Managing open source hosting is a frustrating process. For an old project that just uses mailing lists I'm again trying to find new hosting.

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Nils Goroll 🕊️

in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// 2 months ago

curl on self hosted sourceforge when? 🫢

(sorry for nagging you, i hope you know me well enough by know to trust me that i have good intentions)

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daniel:// stenberg://

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@slink ... also a remark I've commented on what feels like a thousand times. If someone would fund us going self-hosted, sure. Until then I think we should appreciate that we are sponsored and can do as well as we do exactly where we are right now.

@Nils Goroll 🕊️

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Nils Goroll 🕊️

in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// 2 months ago

so if i donated a forge you'd migrate?

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daniel:// stenberg://

in reply to Nils Goroll 🕊️ 2 months ago

@slink if that includes 200 concurrent CI jobs, sure

@Nils Goroll 🕊️

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Nils Goroll 🕊️

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specs for the ci runners?

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daniel:// stenberg://

in reply to Nils Goroll 🕊️ 2 months ago

@slink if we would replace GitHub, I figure a replacement would need to offer roughly the same or better

@Nils Goroll 🕊️

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Nils Goroll 🕊️

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yes, srsly, how much mem/cpu does a runner need?

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daniel:// stenberg://

in reply to Nils Goroll 🕊️ 2 months ago

@slink I don't know what minimum requirements would be, but GitHub's machines are speced here: docs.github.com/en/actions/usi…

About GitHub-hosted runners - GitHub Docs

GitHub offers hosted virtual machines to run workflows. The virtual machine contains an environment of tools, packages, and settings available for GitHub Actions to use.

^{GitHub Docs}

@Nils Goroll 🕊️

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Nils Goroll 🕊️

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i capitulate. i can not sponsor 16gb x 200 = 3.2 tb of ram

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daniel:// stenberg://

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@slink I'd estimate the cost for our current CI setup to about 30K USD/year, give or take - if we would pay for it

@Nils Goroll 🕊️

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PureTryOut

in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// 2 months ago

Nor Discord, which they seemed to be moving too before they got to live again. No community should be in the mercy of the welldoing of commercial companies like that, instead they should move to a decentralized platform like #matrix so they're not bound to any particular provider.

#matrix