so here we are maybe a week and a half or so, and I have been using #NVDA 99 percent of the time, and I still have the station playlist studio addon disabled, and I still haven't seen any major system slowdowns or anything like that. I think we can safely say at this point that addon is what was causing my very randum slowdowns, and freezes. I can't believe I have been using NVDA this much lately. I will say that if it wasn't for a few things I would probibly convert to NVDA on a more perminate basus. there are a few things that keep me from doing that though, so while I will continue to use NVDA most of the time, there are just things that I will be keeping JFW on here for.
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in reply to JamminJerry

Hey thanks for that testing - and glad you're finding NVDA working well otherwise. Appreciate the favourites issue - I recall we've had that discussion before. If there is anything else NVDA isn't working well for, please do make sure we're aware of it though - either here, or on our issue tracker: github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issue…
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oh trust me I will. I know another program that NVDA doesn't work with at all and that is called Process Explorer. it is what I use instead of task manager. I have an older version, because when I tried out newer ones, not even JFW worked with it, so the version I have at least JFW works with, but if I try using NVDA with it, if I up and down arrow threw the list or processes, it reads nothing at all, where JFW will. also if I use first letter navigation, JFW will read, but NVDA doesn't. I wish I knew where to get this program if you can even still get it. the version I have the 64 bit EXE file is dated 10/29/2012. talk about old! lol! I don't think I have tried it in a few years, so maybe there is a newer one that NVDA might work with? I could look into this for you to find out. I just find it easier to use to see processes, and kill them a lot quicker than task manager, which alwaqys drove me nuts! smile.
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in reply to Joshua

@J3317 How does that other one you mentioned fare in that situation? Task manager isn't the snappiest piece of software at the best of times, but usuallly when I'm opening task manager it's because something is playing up and probably making the whole system almost unresponsive, which only makes everything worse - but I would expect that would also hurt the responsiveness of a third party task manager as well?
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@NVAccess well for me, lets say the computer is acting a bit squearly. one of the first things I check is ok, is there a process slowing things down. I have that program sitting in my system tray, so I can do insert f11, and press c for CPU, although for some strange reason, NVDA has a space before the C. it does for a few different things in my system tray, so if I am using NVDA, I press the spacebar until I hear something along the lines of CPU Usage: 12 percent, NVDA.exe 8 percent. Lets just say that is what I hear, so if that is the case, simply doing a restart of NVDA should fix it, but I also might hear something like dropbox.exe 10 percent. so what I would do in this case is if I am using JFW, I would do an alt+d to give that program focus, it is the same as a left double click with the mouse. I would then press the letter d until I heard dropbox.exe. once I land on that, I would do a shift+del which kills the process. if I am sitting on the first instance of it, it kills the whole tree of them. I can then do a windows m to minimise everything, and go to the desktop, press insert+f11 again, and look at my CPU usage, and usually it will have fixed it, so it might say something like CPU usage 1 percent. that is the only thing I use it for, well that and to see how much physical ram I am using. that is another icon in the system tray, as I told that program to put it there.
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@NVAccess a good question for you? maybe you know the answer and maybe you don't. why doesn't NVDA see, or read the progress things when you do things in sound forge? when I save a file, or when I am applying something that might take a miknute for it to do it, I am not getting any progress reports at all. JFW doesn't read them either. I am currently using SOUND FORGE 17. I won't go to sound forge 18, because I have heard it isn't quite as accessible. I just figured I would ask why this isn't being read.
in reply to JamminJerry

Offhand,, and without looking into it - I'd say that Sound forge likely use a non-standard progress bar. There seem to be more and more around - it used to be that you'd copy a file or do something and you'd get the increasing tone beeps to indicate progress. Someteims now you get a monotone tone because it knows there IS a progress bar but not what percentage it's at..... and sometimes nothing if NVDA doesn't even realise there is a progress bar at all....
in reply to JamminJerry

While I don't have a solution, it's always worth a reminder to reach out to them to ensure they are aware of their accessibility defecits - and of course, you can also create issues for us github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issue… - it may be that we need them to fix things first, but there may be things we can do from NVDA's side as well.
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@NVAccess another strange thing I am noticing is with the system tray addon, which I know you can't do anything about is when you bring it up, some icons have a space at the beginning and some don't. with JFW, when you do the insert+f11, none of the icons have a space at the beginning at all. I love being able to do first letter navigation, but in this case, that might not always work. no problem, just hit the spacebar until I hear the one I want. sadly when you do win+b you can't do first letter navigation. if you could, that would rock, but you can't. I use the system tray quite a bit threwout the day. that is where my weather watcher live program is, the icon f for VLC media player, my outlook, ETC.
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@JamiePauls Can you give examples of where NVDA isn't working well in Outlook (Not doubting you, just want to make sure we have them recorded on our issue tracker - github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issue…) - Also, since there are various flavours now.... which version / build of Outlook?
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@NVAccess I realized after I sent that post that it wasn’t very explanatory. My apologies. I have a subscription to office 365. I am using classic Outlook though. With JAWS and Leasey, I can make the reading pane visible and have messages read as i arrow up and down. It would also be nice to have the entire message read when I press enter to open a message. I know there is a setting to turn off some of the verbiage when reading tables in emails but I don't recall where that is. I hope this helps a little.
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@JamiePauls Thanks Jamie. Setting the reading pane in Outlook is an Outlook setting - it sounds like you can use Leasey to do that, which is perhaps handy, though you can do it in Outlook as well (View Ribbon, Layout, Reading pane). NVDA does read the subject of the messages as you arrow up and down through the list, and when you press enter it starts reading the whole message by default (you can change that). But maybe it still works differently betwteen screen readers :) 1/2
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@JamiePauls 2/2 For tables, it's in NVDA's document formatting: Press NVDA+control+d, you can tab through the options, or press alt+t until you get to tables, there are several things you can enable or disable (tables themselves, row / columns, coordinates, etc). You can also create a configuration profile so changing how tables are reported only happens in Outlook if you prefer. (Here's a blog post on that: nvaccess.org/post/in-process-1… )
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@NVAccess Let’s take these in reverse order. First, I was wondering if I could change the settings on a per app basis so thank you for that blog post. I will read it when I get a chance. Now going backward to the first point, I was unclear. I have to change the reading pain setting in Outlook itself. What Leasey does is automatically read messages when arrowing up and down through the message list. I did not recall that NVDA would automatically read messages when an Outlook message was opened. To end on a positive note, I really like the responsiveness of NVDA, especially when using E speak. I realize many people positively despise that synth, but it does what it does. I also really like using reaper with NVDA. I do have the Jaws scripts created by Jim Snowbarger, but reaper itself just seems to respond a little more quickly with NVDA loaded. I think both screen readers are really really good at this point, and that says a lot for how far NVDA has come. Finally, I really enjoy the new mailing list that has been created and I appreciate the engagement on social media.
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@JamiePauls @NVAccess me personally I don't like it reading the whole email when I open it, at least on its own. if I want to read it that way, I just use the insert down arrow. a lot of the times, I like to look at the email one line at a time, so for me personally I like the way it does that. I also don't have previews turned on, so when I am up and down arrowing threw my list of emails, I don't hear anything unless I open the email. I do think that what you are wanting should be available, and maybe it could be stuff you could toggle? just a thought? so you could have it the way you like, and if a person doesn't want it doing that, they could have it the way it is now. smile. I am using I think it is office 2021, and not office 365, but like you I use the outlook classic instead of that modorn garbage. smile.
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in reply to JamminJerry

@JamiePauls Outlook has perhaps TOO many options to configure for how it is set out - especially when all you want is to change (what you feel is) something simple. Toggling reading pane is at least not too hard as it's in "Layout" off the view menu (albeit the ribbon shortcut keys for that aren't obvious - alt+v, y2, R. Of course it depends how much is visible - if you are using larger fonts, it's alt+v, 00, L, R.... Not going to argue that's not really poor design by Outlook :)