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I wonder why the following is? I think it might just be windows 11, but I could be wrong. so when you look at the system tray with #JFW *everything* is get toable by first letter navigation, but the system tray in #NVDA some things you can't get to, because some of them seem to have a space before the first word. NVDA and JFW are seeing something different when you look at the icons in the system tray, and maybe JFW is compinsating for the space that shows up on some of them? maybe?
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Andre Louis

@NVAccess It's funny how Microsoft purportedly *love* accessibility, so they keep taking away keyboard shortcuts.
Win10: First-letter navigation in system tray possible. This goes all the way back to I believe Windows ME. 95 and 98 didn't have the windows B shortcut so it didn't work there.
Windows 11... No keyboard shortcuts.
Makes you think doesn't it?

Unless you use appwiz.cpl to add/remove programs which is an older front-end for this stuff, no keyboard shortcuts, so you can't type to get to an app you want to modify/remove.
Makes you think doesn't it?

When a program crashes, the 'Send' 'Don't Send' used to be S and D respectively.
Now when it crashes, you cannot, if memory serves, dismiss this using keyboard shortcuts. You can tab to it but no shortcuts.
Makes you think doesn't it?

There are at least a handful of other situations I know of, but can't remember at this moment.
Makes you think doesn't it?

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@FreakyFwoof Maybe, but you've mentioned them here - it's just shouting into the void if you don't actually tell Microsoft. You can either go through the Disability Answer Desk at: microsoft.com/en-au/accessibil… Or via the feedback hub in Windows (note that it is an accessibility issue so their accessibility people see it)

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@NVAccess No problem. I think you're in a very valuable position to add to this thread though, as you surely see such complaints from other NVDA users, so if we both shout into the void together, we make a much louder sound and maybe someone at the other end will hear it all the more loudly. That's worth it to me. If we can make one single change for a patch-Tuesday update some time in 2027, it would be:
Bring back a bunch of purposefully-removed keyboard shortcuts that you had no rhyme or reason to remove, especially without explaining to the users that benefit from them, why you did so in the first place.
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@ner @FreakyFwoof It's just that language info in the middle. EG for me in Australia it is: microsoft.com/en-au/accessibil…

In the US, replace the au with us: microsoft.com/en-us/accessibil…

For other languages (German, Spanish etc, replace both sections as needed - from what I've seen it pretty much takes you to the same page, but some info like local contact numbers change by country.


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@FreakyFwoof @a11yChief @simon
We — the power users, developers, and old-school hackers (the kind who patch binaries with a hex editor, not the kind the news blames for ransomware) — have been left to clean up the wreckage after yet another UI “designer” decides their glossy, hollow aesthetic matters more than usability, accessibility, or even basic functionality. It’s always the same cycle: some product manager with a fetish for minimalism greenlights the removal of useful features, and then we’re the ones reverse-engineering, restoring, patching, and explaining how to survive the fallout. Again.
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@FreakyFwoof @a11yChief @fireborn The Vista/7 sound control panel is nice, but remember when Windows XP had first-letter navigation in the list of audio devices? And also allowed you to change your default MIDI device?
Speaking of audio devices, in Windows 10 you could press win+k and select a Bluetooth device. This is especially nice with something like AirPods, where they can pair to multiple devices. In Windows 11, this shortcut only shows wireless displays.
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@FreakyFwoof @NVAccess win+t moves to running apps or things you've pinned in the taskbar.

I ... suppose I might have something, I honestly can't remember. I tinkered with power toys and whatnot, so maybe I did run a patch or something ages ago.
ButI can, for example, press win+b, then d between dropbox and ditto , for example.
Or win+b then p for phone link.

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Kieran L

@cachondo I'd be interested to know if you were able to get windows to always show all icons like you used to be able to do? In a previous version of windows 11 you could use a workaround to get to the old control panel screen to tick the "always show all notification area icons" checkbox, or use some registry tweaks to get it to work, however starting in 24H2, that didn't work anymore. I can use first-letter navigation on the taskbar, but not in the system tray. @JamminJerry @FreakyFwoof @NVAccess
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@klittle667 @FreakyFwoof @NVAccess I have no idea what I've done to my tray to make it work like this. :( I don't have an overflow area or anything. It's not an NVDA thing, narrator behaves the same way.
I ran some windows optimizer script ages ago, but don't remember if I ever lost the ability to use my tray like this. If I can run anything to check what's going on happy to do so but I'm mystified..
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@FreakyFwoof @klittle667 @cachondo @NVAccess I haven't seen a show all icons anywhere in windows 11. I truely miss being able to do that, instead of having to go into a list of apps, and turning it on foe every single one, and if you install a new app, you have to go back in there, find that app, and turn it on for that app.
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Jamie Teh

@FreakyFwoof @NVAccess Microsoft were already struggling not to screw up basic accessibility like this back when I believed they were truly investing in accessibility. Now that they are drunk on AI along with everyone else, i really don't see it getting any better beyond fixing serious compliance failures. That said, I don't think any other big tech company is doing any better.
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