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@FreakyFwoof It happens less and less the more I get used to the interface. I actually really enjoy working with that constraint. I feel like if I were to add a keyboard into the mix it would somehow make it less… intimate? Maybe that’s weird but right now I just curl up on the couch and it’s just me and my phone making some music together. It’s oddly nice and comforting.
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@bryansmart @FreakyFwoof that would be awesome if they did that. At first I thought that the "big new accessible music production" thing was Ableton finally beeing made accessible. My hopes were so high LOL. And then I find out that its just some stupid native instruments overlay thing that you have to use a Maschine controler to use. That's the thing that urks me. Make the damn software accessible without using a stupid overlay to the controler. Rant over.
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@bryansmart @benblatch Steve can run while the Maschine software walks or even crawls between updates. If someone reports that something's broken one week, it could be fixed by the next. With Komplete Kontrol, that probably takes weeks to fix because it's embedded in the software itself, so the update cycle is likely on a schedule. Stephen Penny who does the NI accessibility tool for Maschine (and also works on Komplete) can push updates to the Maschine tool way, way quicker than the Maschine software itself is likely to see updates. Equivalent if you will, of getting a screen-reader update to NVDA, rather than waiting on Windows to get an update that fixes something that sucks. Or VoiceOver on Mac, if it were separate, could be updated without an entire OS update. It should be this way imo, but it's not.
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@FreakyFwoof @bryansmart @benblatch Having watched Native’s Machine demo I have to say the accessibility looked really well done and the Machine workflow sounds really fun. Out of curiosity, since you mentioned doing things this way is faster and could allow for better configurability, will KK’s accessibility also eventually get migrated to this tool or will that remain separate? Not bothered by how KK works now I’m just curious.
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@FreakyFwoof @bryansmart @benblatch Yeah. FOr Maschine having that main window is useful because you can explore the different sections, and I guess if Traktor ever gets this having a window will be helpful there as well, but it’s less helpful for KK (unless of course this tool ever becomes able to at least partially let us browse presets and such for the moments when a keyboard isn’t attached but I digress). Could also open things up for separate voice options too, like being able to directly use screen reader speech on WIndows or select different voices but anyway really going way off-topic here lol.
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So it’s time for todays #SongSketch and I have to admit I made quite a weird and funny mistake with this one. So I make these in Ableton Note on my phone. That app has a very loop oriented workflow. I never once stopped it, so I never noticed that I had the entire loops offset by half until it was far too late and I was basically done. But it’s still too fun not to share. So here you go. What happens when the third bar in a four bar loop structure accidentally turns into the first?

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@BorrisInABox I just played Cyclepath, thank you for this novel to me experience! So far, the best strategy for me has been pressing D throughout the race, and I'm not even sure what it does. Does it make me go in circles or just keeps me in the rightmost lane? I'm currently waiting for my Windows virtual machine to finish "Getting Windows ready. Don't turn turn off your computer", then I'll probably play some more. Do you have any plans on publishing the source code or possibly Flatpak or AppImage builds? As a sighted person who has never played Blind man's bluff, little blind chicken, or whatever it's called in English, this is truly a new experience to me, thank you!
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@sanfierro I don't actually think D does anything. The arrow keys control the bike, so left arrow moves left, and right arrow moves right. There are actually a lot of very interesting audio games out there that you could try! I'm happy I could give you a little look into the space. Maybe The Vale would be a fun experience too especially for someone just dipping their toes in.
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Oh, maybe I just gave myself a placebo to think the keys A and D do something. I thought I actually controlled the bike, I really tried to press them at the right time, hehe. I guess I shall try The Vale at some point. The Slanderman one seems to have WASD and mouse movements seem to control the camera, yet I couldn't really grasp how to play it. You already gave me a unique experience and I don't know how to express this property, maybe it's only appropriate to say you're proud of yourself, your children, and maybe some types of groups you are part of, so I'm gonna put it like this: if I were you, I would be proud of myself (i.e. Talon) for giving sanfierro (it's my nickname) such an experience. Thank you once again!
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So I've been making a daily song with Ableton Note for 2 weeks now, and the name is quite apt. At the end of pretty much every project, I just want to export it into a DAW and continue working on it, because there are aspects that the app just won't let me do... and I'm really not sure if it should. On the one hand, I really wish it did. Like let me add more than 2 effects per track, allow me to use external audio units, side chaining, etc. But on the other hand, if it did, it would lose its simplicity and charm. Even better would be the ability to export the session into individual stems, or even each part as a separate stem, so I could import it into another app and mix it there. Maybe I'll stop doing them daily, maybe I won't, or maybe I'll end up branching out and not sticking exclusively to my phone. Who knows. But it's certainly fun to do!
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And naturally, it being an Ableton app, it only allows me to export to Live. But I can't use that due to accessibility reasons. So for now, I suppose I'm stuck with what the app lets me do unless I switch to something else. There's just no other app that comes close to being as much fun as Note. Garage Band teeeechnically works, but it's slow, loves to crash and get stuck a lot and it's just quite simply not as fun to use. Ah well.
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@bryansmart @FreakyFwoof When I read this I thought of them too! Speaking of which, OpenMPT is keyboard accessible now, at least for the most part. Pattern editor certainly works. There's a bit of obj nav around some of the nested window elements, and I'm not entirely sure how sample editing works yet, the instrument envelopes are usable though. Tab between nodes, left/right to move them in time, up/down to move their value, context menu to make more. Pattern editor is just a glorified table, you up/down/left/right and type into it. Has a weird onscreen keyboard for note entry, you likely wouldn't be working with row autoadvance so playing a full-blown pattern in MIDI might not be all that feasible, but MIDI input can be used oif you like, and I think it can translate velocity into volume column events.
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