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Re last: Please please please, don't use #HCaptcha! We blind people call it HateCaptcha, and it's for a reason. Their accessibility so-called innovative technology is simply broken and doesn't work reliably. You can't imagine how much time I spent fighting with this so-called accessibility cookie. Please don't use it, for goodness sake. #MastoAdmin
#mastoadmin #hcaptcha
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Thorwegian ❄️
Thorwegian ❄️
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Please give us admins an alternative, then. No one likes captchas. Even among sighted people, they can be troublesome. We're fighting a war against spam bots though. #mastoadmin
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Jennifer Moore 😷
Jennifer Moore 😷
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@thor

Re "Please give us admins an alternative, then."

This is phrased like you're telling the blind people it's their job to solve your problem!

Speaking out about something inaccessible shouldn't be met with "go on then, make it accessible".

@menelion

@Thorwegian ❄️ @André Polykanine
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André Polykanine
André Polykanine
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@unchartedworlds @thor that's a huge problem of all open-source software. I'm not offended by such comments though, they are also absolutely fair, we need to give alternatives to admins. I'll advocate for a better solution and probably contribute to Mastodon somehow, but you know, I also have a full-time development work…
@Thorwegian ❄️ @Jennifer Moore 😷
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André Polykanine
André Polykanine
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@VModifiedMind Thank you!
@V is for...
in reply to André Polykanine

:prideflag_demigirl: 서버메이드 깐프
:prideflag_demigirl: 서버메이드 깐프
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@dalias The problem is, unlike Misskey, admins have no choice except that hCaptcha because it is the only CAPTCHA solution Mastodon offers for now.
@Rich Felker
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wraptile
wraptile
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you know the product is bullshit when it only reports positive metrics on it's dashboard. A real tool would be fully transparent to empower the user but all you get is "it's working well, trust us".
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Hessenic
Hessenic
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thanks for the heads up. Accessibility is a moral, social, and security issue!
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Tsimagain
Tsimagain
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@menelion
@André Polykanine
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Chiel | خیل | Хил | Χιλ
Chiel | خیل | Хил | Χιλ
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@chrisjtrogers AltText:
Fake Captcha with the instruction: "Select all images where if you were to
add a decrescendo it would add to the
musicality of the piece without being
interpreted as an overly heavy-handed
metaphor within the context of the
thematic material."
Followed by six images of different classical-looking music notation.
@Tsimagain
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Kelly & Roger :18_plus:
Kelly & Roger :18_plus:
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Thanks for posting this. I didn't realise there was an issue with hCaptcha and accessibility.
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André Polykanine
André Polykanine
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@KellyandRoger Basically, the solution *might* work only if it worked. the cookie is either not set, or you have to set it every time, or, if you set the cookie and close your browser, you have to go through the hassle from scratch.
@Kelly & Roger :18_plus:
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Drew Mochak
Drew Mochak
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@KellyandRoger Also if HCaptcha determines you're not actually blind, for whatever reason, no cookie for you, so no access for you. It is insane that we are outsourcing who gets to join a Mastodon instance to some random for-profit techbro nonsense. For all of the reasons people distrust ReCaptcha, HCaptcha is no better or worse.
@Kelly & Roger :18_plus:
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lucasmz ∞
lucasmz ∞
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CAPTCHA is always so sketchy. Captcha now a days might as well be a private form of ID verification, AI has essentially broken it.

I've seen PoW captchas which is definitely interesting but one I saw is using SHA256 and that's just outdated and dumb for PoW.

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Marcus Bointon
Marcus Bointon
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hCaptcha also claims GDPR compliance, while hosting in the US...
Do you know of any good alternatives?
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André Polykanine
André Polykanine
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@Synchro Not yet, but I'll research this question. I'm personally for textual captchas like math-solving ("How mush is four plus seven?"), but I heard that might pose challenges to people with cognitive particularities like dyscalculia for example.
@Marcus Bointon
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Morgan Gangwere (job-seeking)
Morgan Gangwere (job-seeking)
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hCapcha also just sucks on any browser that isn't Very Chrome.

I can't pass an hCapcha banner in NetSurf or WebPositive.

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bbₜᵤₓᵢ
bbₜᵤₓᵢ
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Why not get help with the initial setup?
There are apps like "Be My Eyes"... that you can use?

Sorry for the stupid questions, I'm not affected myself. But I could imagine that there are greater challenges for blind people.

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André Polykanine
André Polykanine
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@tux This is a very fair question. the problem with captchas is that not all blind people can have sighted help. Probably BeMyeyes would help, but with HCaptcha they *claim* to provide an accessibility solution, it simply doesn't work reliably. What you have to do is to sign up with them, then open an email and set their accessibility cookie. It is kind of good'ish solution, but you have to do it every time you open the page, and it doesn't work with all emails, and so on.
@bbₜᵤₓᵢ
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