Signal's president claimed it takes billions to replicate the availability and reliability of "hyperscalers" (AWS/Google/Microsoft/Cloudfare) that Signal uses.
#chatmail and #deltachat are about disproving this claim by
1) making relays super cheap (DONE)
2) enabling chat profiles to use multiple relays redundantly (WIP)
3) distributing relay knowledge among chatters (TBD).
Fat servers, corporate overlords and billionaires: not needed and better to not exist for a convivial e2ee future :)
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babble encat
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Delta Chat
in reply to babble encat • • •Tomy
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Delta Chat
in reply to Tomy • • •morganist ⧖ ☮
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Delta Chat
in reply to morganist ⧖ ☮ • • •h3artbl33d
in reply to Tomy • • •Depends in your MTA. Chatmail does, most MTAs do. The ludacris
X-Originating-IPis mostly a ghost of the past. And unless you are acting as an MTA you are likely safe.Delta Chat
in reply to h3artbl33d • • •h3artbl33d
in reply to Delta Chat • • •@tomli
Gmail still does that? Ugh.
Tomy
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Delta Chat
in reply to Tomy • • •Kévin ⏚
in reply to Delta Chat • • •@h3artbl33d @tomli don't forget iCloud also leaks your hostname (weirdly not your IP), which may or may not be a problem depending on your hostname
(I accidentally posted this from another account on mastodon.social, don't ask 😅)
Aaron Caskey-Demaret
in reply to Delta Chat • • •(Non gender specific) Dude! I had to fight to get people to use Element/Matrix and when the jank got too much I had to fight to move them to Signal. I'm tired and done with all that shit.
But you're saying all the right things so I'm looking at my soapbox and megaphone and thinking I may have to drag them out again... 🙂
分 Bifurkatus
in reply to Delta Chat • • •addy
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Started using Delta Chat quite recently as it seemed like the best libre (decentralized, e2ee) alternative to WhatsApp.
What would be a good way for me to learn about what Delta Chat is doing on a technical level that other IM apps are not?
Delta Chat
in reply to addy • • •Usable end-to-end security with Delta Chat and Chatmail
Pass the SALT Archivesthe tower fairy
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Sensitive content
is your app available without relying in so-called sideloading/jailbreaking?
That, plus push notifications, and wondering how you can overcome the network effect.
LΞX/NØVΛ
in reply to Delta Chat • • •@Mer__edith is a liar to the teeth, you want a proof ?
use tor on your device and call a friend.
the only issue will be the time to connect after it will be flawless, so her "we need them" is a corporate lie.
feld
in reply to LΞX/NØVΛ • • •LΞX/NØVΛ
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Jackie Jude
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Delta Chat
in reply to Jackie Jude • • •Whatevs
in reply to Delta Chat • • •sP00kY J
in reply to Delta Chat • • •2017.
Delta Chat
in reply to sP00kY J • • •Reflections: The ecosystem is moving
Signal Messengerjaseg
in reply to Delta Chat • • •I don’t think that spreading poorly substantiated accusations of technical infidelity against signal helps your mission, or anyone else.
I think it’s cool that you’re writing your own messenger software, but please spread the word about it by advertising how it is good, not by trying to push others down who fight for the same causes as you.
Delta Chat
in reply to jaseg • • •jaseg
in reply to Delta Chat • • •jaseg
in reply to jaseg • • •Delta Chat
in reply to jaseg • • •jaseg
in reply to Delta Chat • • •blazr
in reply to Delta Chat • • •...so the 4-5 big email providers all "your" infrastructure relies on is surely not using any cloud infrastructure at all, right? right??
oh and i love doing all these encrypted audio and video calls using delta chat. oh, wait... no audio. no video.
i have one question to you guys:
why are you comparing two different things here?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Delta Chat
in reply to blazr • • •@blazr with 2.22.0 you can try out calling, look for "Debug Calls" in the experimental settings :)
Instead of big email providers, we actually recommend self-hosting chatmail.at/relays, or using one of the existing public ones. This is basically how we aim to do scaling, horizontal instead of centralized.
Chatmail: Relays
chatmail.atLinus Gasser
in reply to Delta Chat • • •I really hope you can pull this off. However, having worked with distributed, decentralized systems, I think the difference between a centralized system and yours will always be a limitation to adoption.
But I hope you'll write lots of blog posts for others to build upon :)