#GNOME replaces its mailing lists with Discourse:
mail.gnome.org/archives/deskto…
As someone who grew at a time where email was an unquestioned, decentralized foundation of #FreeSoftware workflows, moves like leave a bad taste in my mouth. I understand how Discourse facilitates onboarding, but the idea of delegating to a central server and using the browser as the sole user interface remains unappealing to me.
Getting old?
Federico Mena Quintero
in reply to Ludovic Courtès • • •Emmanuele Bassi
in reply to Ludovic Courtès • • •GNOME mailing lists have a central server as well, so I don't understand the point. It's not like you could send emails to any random server and have them appear in a list.
In any case, mailing lists are terrible for moderation, onboarding, and spam—just like anything that is based on email. Email is a centralised game, these days, unless you want everything to be marked as spam, and have nobody receive anything.
In any case: you can interact with Discourse via email as well.
Ludovic Courtès
in reply to Ludovic Courtès • • •@ebassi I’ve found Discourse’s onboarding features smart—messages essentially getting you to learn the etiquette, to better understand where the other person is talking from (whether they’re a newcomer or not), and so on. It probably helps lower the barrier to entry and make interactions smoother.
(I find it intriguing though that we need such “social prostheses” in the first place; is the on-line etiquette too different from real-life interactions?)
Ludovic Courtès
in reply to Ludovic Courtès • • •Andrew Tropin
in reply to Ludovic Courtès • • •Emmanuele Bassi
in reply to Andrew Tropin • • •@abcdw @khinsen No, you can't do that. You need to have an account on the Discourse instance.
Depending on the configuration of the instance, you may also need to actually browse it and interact with it a bit to raise your user level, before you can open topics just by sending an email.
Andrew Tropin
in reply to Emmanuele Bassi • • •Emmanuele Bassi
in reply to Andrew Tropin • • •@abcdw @khinsen That's not our experience. Though, of course, if you start contributing a lot to GNOME, you can ask to get an LDAP account, and then you get single-sign-on for all GNOME services.
If you're referring to being able to send patches via email, that's just false economy: you have a steep set up cost (git send-email is not a simple thing), and then you get stuck with patches over email, which is a fate worse than death.
Andrew Tropin
in reply to Emmanuele Bassi • • •@ebassi @khinsen I mean the case, when you contribute to various FOSS projects on different platforms/forges. Maybe forgefed will make it less painful someday.
I agree the set up process is tough and there are not much good modern tools, but after initial configuration the experience is quite pleasant and in addition to that it's also offline-friendly. YMMV of course.
Ludovic Courtès
in reply to Emmanuele Bassi • • •Emmanuele Bassi
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