in reply to Meredith Whittaker

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With respect Meredith, i’m talking about decentralized protocols and their capability to not depend so heavily on the service providers you’re arguing for. Tor Project has shown how possible it is (i used to work there, and it’s spelled Tor not TOR).

I listened to Moxie’s aversions to decentralization for years. That’s what I keep seeing now, with posts like these. I also understand the value of huge cloud providers, I’ve worked for many companies who use them, and have worked for them, and I understand why you depend on them and how important that is to a high quality service. Thank you for all that you all do.

But what conversations does Signal Foundation actually have on the topics of resiliency through decentralization? How much money could you save by allowing the community to take on aspects of the network? How much resiliency and trust could be gained, without losing performance?

in reply to David Penfold

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DrYak

@davep @yawnbox Regarding Tor: instant messaging (if you stretch "instant" to cover several seconds which is acceptable in practice) have been successfully ran over Tor and other distributed settings.

Regarding video not relying on a centralized infra: Skype during its Kazaa-/pre-Microsoft- era and its "Super nodes" has been a widely successful example of a video calling software that doesn't rely that much on centralisation (but of course with a completely different security model)

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Debacle

@UrbanCityCowboy @dryak @davep @yawnbox
Yes, that's the one I tried to use. Unsuccessul of course, "lacking" a Google/Apple phone. A pretty bloated Electron thingy.

I'm sure, I read sth. about a third party Signal client here, which runs natively on Linux. But I forgot to bookmark 😞

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DrYak

@debacle @davep @yawnbox I am rather happy with it (though there are occasional hiccups -- my account got accidentally deleted, I need to re-create it). I only use it for messaging, I have no idea how far Rubdos got with the implementation of calls.

I would recommend if you happen to run SailfishOS on your phone and if you too are mostly interested in messaging.

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Debacle

@dryak @davep @yawnbox
Thanks!

No, I'm running #Mobian (more similar to #postmarketOS than to sailfish). Not sure, if sailfish programs can run on other Linux systems. Never tried.

I'm fine with texting only. I have calls on #Jabber, that's sufficient 🙂

I hope, that the #slidge Signal-#XMPP by @nicoco will work again, soon. Then people could use any Jabber client to text Signal users.

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in reply to Daniel Gultsch

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@daniel Even _IF_ it were possible to create a black box version of "distributed Signal mesh node in a box" that you could run in your basement to help make Signal more tolerant - I mean with enough $ and willpower Im sure it could be done - there's still the question of: if you don't control physical access to the node, there's still potential for attack regardless of how much encryption and protection. Would you ever be able to trust it completely?
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