ondrosik

ondrosik@fedi.ml

radio reporter and musician. I write articles, and prepare podcasts. I am betatester of Corvus, special Android interface for blind users.

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ondrosik

5 days ago

ondrosik
5 days ago

Zoom released New firmware for H1E. I am sending this again because i broke the first post.

You can set imput gain during recording but i don't know exact buttons
You can record and export to mp3
You can record with AI noise isolator. It analyzes the noise during first 3 seconds to get noise profile. you can enable it with shortcut, the third button in the top row (button which marks during recording) or in rec settings. Not bad but it filters just high frequencies.
Do you guys testet this? @Andre Louis @Borris @Tomecki
zoomcorp.com/en/jp/handheld-re…

@Tomecki @Andre Louis @Borris

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Borris

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

I imagine given the extremely limited processing power of the H1E that AI noise reduction won't be too impressive. I'll play with this later, I.E. when it isn't 3:51 AM.

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Andre Louis

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

I'll put this on my unit and see what happens. Thanks for sharing.

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Borris

in reply to Andre Louis 5 days ago

FWIW, they have also updated the H4E and H6E similarly. Not, apparently, the H2E, at least from what I've seen.

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Jonathan

in reply to Borris 5 days ago

Since you have the H1E and H2E, how much do they actually differ. I have the H1E but was also considering the H2E, what do you use which one for. Is having both actually worth it?

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They're very different.
The H2E uses a M/S array, and it's side-address. You can record from front/back at the same time, which I don't really find all that useful. To do this, it uses a cute little trick where it has a front and back cardioid, and it inverts the phase of the sides to correct the stereo image depending on what side it's coming from.
Or you can record from the front mics/external 3.5mm input jack at the same time, either to a mix file or separate tracks.
You can adjust the stereo width of the microphones to three presets -- 90 degrees, 120 degrees or mono, or record in raw M/S and do all the processing in a DAW.
To me, the microphones of the H2E are a bit cleaner, and have a totally different sound. The unit is also quite a lot larger. Not huge, but definitely a different form factor. IT's more like a little side-address studio condenser microphone with buttons and a display on it.
There is also a slot for the BTA-1 Bluetooth adapter for wirelessly syncing it with other devices and setting the time.

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JamminJerry

in reply to Borris 5 days ago

@jonathan859 I also have the H1E, and the H2E, and absolutely love my H2E. in fact my H1E just sits in a drore collecting dust. smile. personally I like the way the H2E sits in my hand better than the H1E, but like I said this is me personally. I wonder why they don't have this update out for the H2E? that isn't cool.

@Jonathan

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Borris

in reply to JamminJerry 5 days ago

@JamminJerry @jonathan859 Just guessing here, but the fact that the H2 essential isn't a standard stereo recorder (it's M/S) makes those changes a little more complicated than the rest to implement.

@JamminJerry @Jonathan

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JamminJerry

in reply to Borris 5 days ago

@jonathan859 that is very possible.

@Jonathan

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Jonathan

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

Good to know. Will update mine when I get back home. Will be the 1st time updating for me, anything to know about it/the process?

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Andre Louis

in reply to Jonathan 5 days ago

@jonathan859 Plug the cable in, follow the prompts in the PDF it's easy. I've just done it.

@Jonathan

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Borris

in reply to Jonathan 5 days ago

@jonathan859 Follow the update guide included in the firmware zip file. Part of it doesn't speak. Be sure to have it plugged into USB-C, either a PC or a power supply on the other end, or the firmware update process won't start.

@Jonathan

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ondrosik

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

note that after updating the firmware, update the guide too, othervise it speaks really strange and funny things.

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Andre Louis

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

I didn't try before updating, but what strange things does it speak? I should have run some tests.

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ondrosik

in reply to Andre Louis 5 days ago

for example "firmware version "2 usb mic 0" or when you enable AI on the home screen it sais "5 on".

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Borris

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I got 5 on it... OH, wait...

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ondrosik

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

BTW imput gain can be set on home screen before recording, pres forward and rewind buttons. I am comfused what it actually sets. I set it to max. With mp3 it seems that there is some limiter enabled, for wav I am getting distorted output e. g. I hear that it sounds like distorted.

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Borris

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

So it's probably like setting the gain on all the other Zoom recorders. If you normalize one of those distorted recordings, it'll probably go down by a whole bunch of DB and clean itself right up. Not a chance in PCM land, but good that it has that failsafe for mp3.

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ondrosik

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

oops, its not distorted, it just sounds like that when listening back on the unit, I get recording with +17 db, after lovering the volume it sounds fine. I am still confused when using it as usb mic, because you can set send volume and imput gain. But maybe people used to mixers understands how that makes sense.

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Borris

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

Sounds like it's probably not actually adjusting the real input gain then. So no more headroom than before if you turn it down more and use sensitive mics, I'm guessing.

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Andre Louis

in reply to Borris 5 days ago

I assume you still can't set input gain on the H1E, only the other recorders?

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ondrosik

in reply to Andre Louis 5 days ago

now you can with prew and next buttons or how thei call it. Two buttons at the bottom to browse recording and revind / fast forward. It works just on the home screen before recording. When setup at max and turing volume knob to max, you can set it really too loud.

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Andre Louis

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

Aah thank you. I will investigate.

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Borris

in reply to Andre Louis 5 days ago

Easy test: Turn it all the way down and thump one of the mics. Does it still say "input overload"? If so, then it's not actually setting the input gain.

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Andre Louis

in reply to Borris 5 days ago

I'm pressing the round buttons in rec standby and it's not announcing gain or anything.

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ondrosik

in reply to Andre Louis 5 days ago

it just change the volume, you can hear the difference when monitoring with headphones. Try holding it.

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Jonathan

in reply to Andre Louis 5 days ago

Did you update the accessibility file as well? Sorry if that is an obvious thing or something, have just heard you need to update that seperatly or something.

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Andre Louis

in reply to Jonathan 5 days ago

@jonathan859 They're both next to each other on the page, and yes, you definitely need to do both.

@Jonathan

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ondrosik

in reply to Borris 5 days ago

yes, imput overload when gain set to min.

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Andre Louis

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

Yep, just confirmed the same.

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Borris

in reply to Andre Louis 5 days ago

So, yeah, it's basically for the benefit of mp3 recording and getting a lower level before export. Kinda what I thought.

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Andre Louis

in reply to Borris 5 days ago

I guess you either record with AI noise or you don't. Seems you can't do it to the file after the fact.

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Borris

in reply to Andre Louis 5 days ago

No, it's input only.

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Andre Louis

in reply to Borris 5 days ago

I wonder if by default, the gain was set to maximum the whole time? Very loud if so.

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Borris

in reply to Andre Louis 5 days ago

It's a ploy to *make* you learn how to handle 32-bit FP, because it takes almost nothing to go over 0dB.

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ondrosik

in reply to ondrosik 5 days ago

BTW when you export to mp3, you get dialog with format selection, bitrate selection and then something where you can select on or off but I have no idea what that should be. Maybe normalization or limiting or something?

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ondrosik

in reply to ondrosik 4 days ago

I have two complaints:
1) It seems that AI learning is just some kind of placebo. I tested it with various enviroments, noises, music... and I am getting the same result.
2) When you dont have headphones, you can set the imput gain volume too low so you actually record silence.

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Borris

in reply to ondrosik 4 days ago

@tomecki@101010.pl @FreakyFwoof As to your second point, that's the way all their other recorders have worked for a while. Just bringing feature parity in line, I guess.

@Andre Louis

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