@mgifford @BillySmith Just because others do a thing doesn't make it right. Geez, didn't your parents give you the "if your friends are jumping off a bridge without a parachute, would you do it?" speech?

These systems also spy on users, require users to have accounts within said proprietary systems, will enshittify very badly soon (ok, Telegram already is,) and etc.

Even if you must use something proprietary, at least something less evil like, say, Revolt, but systems have existed that were open for a long time. Most things used to use IRC for open discussion and a few still do. It's still reliable and good and pretty much Just Works™.

There is literally no reason for FOSS to be using Discord with quite a few reasons against and a billion reasons to avoid Telegram like a plague

@Irishmasms @nazokiyoubinbou @mgifford
As for Discord, apart from them being part of the USA-based surveillance-industrial complex, their original set-up was great, as Discord was a very light web-app, but the latest versions have become so fat, that they cause browser crashes when trying to use other websites at the same time.

Using googledocs at the same time, as Discord doesn't work, so it means that they have broken the original reasons for using them... 🤦