@KitKat well, that at least confirms it’s matrix & dendrite. meanwhile: http://google.com/search?q=site:towns.com%20matrix yields nil; likewise https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/23/towns-protocol-app-ben-rubin. Obviously it’s within the terms of the license to do this; but hardly in the spirit. The most charitable interpretation is that they are planning to move away…

@KitKat I would think it would be on their site as well honestly. I hope they are supporting matrix in some way. Sad to see

@robertdalton @KitKat nothing to date. Perhaps we should have made given the first bullet a slide of its own at FOSDEM.

@devhonk originally we picked Apache to be as generous as possible, but given we’re in a position where the better the protocol gets, the less $ there is to fund folks to work on the core protocol (cf https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/25/the-matrix-holiday-update-2022) that looks increasingly like an error. No good deed goes unpunished, as the saying goes.

@stereo
Hi,
mein technisches English ist zu schlecht.
Wo genau liegt das Problem?

Hatte es so verstanden, dass TownsProtocol auf Ihrer Seite nicht erwähnt, dass es das Matrix Protokoll ist?
BlackPin erwähnt dies dagegen in Ihren Texten.

Oder geht es darum, dass diese Anbieter Matrix nicht finanziell und mit Feedback unterstützen?

@rumo @stereo blackpin acknowledge that they're built on Matrix, rather than rebranding it as their own creation, and i believe they are in discussions to support the Foundation.

@menturion Dendrite and Synapse are maintained and published by the Matrix Foundation, which is currently at serious funding risk thanks to folks commercially deploying Matrix without financially supporting the Foundation. So if a shift to AGPL can provide a route to encourage commercial deployments to donate, we have no choice but consider it. It’s nothing to do with New Vector (aka Element).

I didn't know that the CapEx for Synapse/Dendrite development were attributed to the Matrix Foundation. I suspect that a license change would not have a direct impact on generating new revenue streams. However, services such as seminars in the form of paid content or classroom training (Certified Matrix Engineer), provision of managed, highly scalable and secure HA instances with tiered SLAs, etc. would (and could be offered based on existing headcounts, if applicable).