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@dhamlinmusic @cachondo @zersiax Wait, you do? Do you have to use a fudged Braille extender add-on? I was of the impression that NVDA's Braille implementation was subpar to someone who wanted to use a Braille display as their primary control device, unless you use one with a qwerty keyboard I guess.
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@cachondo way, way back in the day I actually used Dolphin Hal (now Screenreader) and it's braille support was pretty great as well; you could basically just scroll all over the screen without actually moving your cursor and click things with the cursor keys. JAWS lets you do this but it never felt quite as seamless to me. NVDA lets you do it within the navigator object for the most part, and it handles things like in-place updating components quite well but I do miss that freedom
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to clarify, it wasn't the differences in the screen readers so much that bothered me as the dresponsiveness, needing to take 30 minutes out of my day to update and inconsistencies.
I can still get speech faster by remotely controlling a machine in London running NVDA remote than using my wife's laptop with JAWS direct in some apps.
NVDA's far from perfect in all situations, both screen readers are. But the JAWS costs keep spiraling and there's been nothing remotely innovative, apart from their split Braille feature that I've thought I'd like since I moved over.
NVDA had LLM support months before JAWS did, even though the hype would lead you to believe otherwise, for example.
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@cachondo I've been pretty much ready to switch away from JFW to NVDA for a few years now. I use it in some work situations where I have to use remote desktops on a contractor basis and getting JFW on those would be a nightmare. Having said this though my NVDA installs at work have had to be without any addons as usually I'm allowed to install the base NVDA package on the system through the corporate channels but the IT guys don't understand addons,
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@cachondo Yeah its just not something I have managed to get agreement on with the companies I have worked for. In all cases the installation of NVDA is done centrally and I don't have access to download files myself or get files onto the network. If I did manage to get add-ons it would be ages before they got updated. If I do get JFW installed onto the systems it has to be through the offline installer and the option is chosen to disable online services.
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@cachondo I'm sorry to say you're right. The NVDA experience, and I don't go back as far as you do but do go back to 2018 or so, has just become smoother than Jaws. This, of course, is leaving aside all licensing, I'm just talking about the experience in use. I'm sorry to say that because Jaws really was the gold-standard for such a long time, it's gotten to the point where I have to think hard of the stuff Jaws does better. There is still some of that stuff, but the list is just getting shorter and shorter. My main issue, though, continues to be responsiveness, particularly on VMs, but it's also a general thing. @FreakyFwoof
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@x0 @cachondo @FreakyFwoof I agree about the office, it's just sluggish, I have no clue why. I have also seen the other things mentioned by others, but just haven't experienced them myself. Maybe it's because I'm not using it at full speed or for some other reason, but the lockups are just not happening on any of my systems (7 and 10). I've used it on 11 as well, but that was on a VM and wasn't for long. The fact that I didn't see them on that particular system doesn't mean much, I didn't use it for long enough to tell.
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@techsinger @x0 @FreakyFwoof I don't get any lockups either. And when I have had a crash, more often than not JAWS has needed a system reboot whereas NVDA just needs a restart.

I find sluggishness in office only with particularly long documents or big HTML emails. your average spreadsheet or word document is fine for me, but I only produce short reports these days rather than the huuuge academic papers JAWS coped with so well.

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