A few things #deltachat apps are doing positively different from #Signal apps
- easiest onboarding ever; not depending on phone numbers or other private data
- support for multiple chat profiles/identities
- decentralized servers, not depending on US-based GAFAM etc.
- migration from one app/platform to any other
- easy multi-device support for any chat profile
- developers have chances to get their PRs merged :)
- mini-apps support via webxdc.org
anything missing?
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in reply to Delta Chat • • •addy
in reply to Delta Chat • • •It is indeed quite a frictionless switch imo. One thing I would point out that needs to be ironed out is for the notifications to work 'as expected' out of the box.
I think there's a manual step required currently to ensure notifications keep working in the background (settings -> notifications -> enable 'use background connection' and 'force background connection')
That's the only inconvenience I, and my friends, have faced so far.
bbbhltz
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Getting people to switch is the hardest thing...
Talking to a dad at my son's school, he works in IT, he is a researcher, he says something about WhatsApp, I say I don't use it but have Signal.
"What's that?" they say... Nobody knows anything outside of WhatsApp, Instagram, and iMessage. User domestication is a real issue seirdy.one/posts/2021/01/27/wh… (@Seirdy)
My partner managed to get about 5 people on Signal but they've all bounced back to WhatsApp now.
WhatsApp and the domestication of users
Seirdy’s HomeCrazy Pony
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Andrzej Czerniak 🇵🇱
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in reply to Delta Chat • • •h4890
in reply to Delta Chat • • •What I fear is that with all the apps and extra functionality, they introduce bugs and vulnerabilities.
But maybe the code is segmented somehow so that the apps live and depend on isolated code?
Markus Gerstel
in reply to Delta Chat • • •GeneralX ⏳
in reply to Delta Chat • • •"developers have chances to get their PRs merged :)"
This. Signal's interaction with (potential) contributors and bug reporters is like talking to a wall.
vitaliy
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in reply to Delta Chat • • •Ibi
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Delta Chat, Session, and SimpleX are three user-friendly and privacy-respecting apps I would recommend for ppl.
Good apps.
Sushi
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Apicultor 🐝
in reply to Delta Chat • • •>anything missing?
A security audit by a reputable auditor.
Beyond that, here's a handy checklist for you:
soatok.blog/2024/07/31/what-do…
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in reply to Apicultor 🐝 • • •Apicultor 🐝
in reply to Delta Chat • • •>with anything missing we meant in the positive list :)
A security audit isn't something on the positive list for a "secure messenger app"? 👀
bjoern
in reply to Apicultor 🐝 • • •@apicultor Question:
"Was Delta Chat independently audited for security vulnerabilities?"
Answer:
"Yes, multiple times ... delta.chat/en/help#security-au…
Delta Chat: FAQ
delta.chatApicultor 🐝
in reply to bjoern • • •@r10s Yep, I saw that. Unfortunately, none of them seem to acknowledge the massive elephant in the Delta room: metadata.
@delta
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in reply to Apicultor 🐝 • • •Delta Chat: FAQ
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in reply to Delta Chat • • •Murga
in reply to Delta Chat • • •The family has already been assembled. Great
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in reply to Delta Chat • • •bjoern
in reply to 🌴 Seph 💭 👾 • • •@vextaur one does not need a camera for installation 🤷♂️
apart form that, for getting in contact, it is handy if one party has a camera. and for adding a second device, it is handy if the new device has a camera.
both have alternatives by passing links around, yeah, still, there is room for optimisation
🌴 Seph 💭 👾
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in reply to Delta Chat • • •Delta Chat
in reply to 🌴 Seph 💭 👾 • • •@vextaur @r10s Delta Chat also offers to copy-paste the link instead of scanning the QR code. Contrary to Signal, the link only works in the same wifi to avoid attacks like this one: dailysecurityreview.com/securi…
But yeah, a simple improvement could be that it doesn't matter anymore which device scans which QR code. This wasn't available at the time when we implemented it. Now, other priorities take up our focus - but it isn't forgotten, don't worry.
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in reply to Delta Chat • • •anedroid
in reply to Delta Chat • • •Supporting classic, unencrypted groups with people who doesn't use Delta Chat yet, while still having avatars and modyfing member list, for example 🤦♂️
I still have to use 1.58 and tell people to install legacy version. It's a shame.
Delta Chat
in reply to anedroid • • •@anedroid unencrypted email use cases have been discussed in the support forum already and the outcome is: our focus is on end-to-end encryption and metadata minimization, along with helping to grow a world-wide federated reliable chatmail relay network run by many 3rd parties.
Instead of sticking to the old 1.58 delta versions it'd likely be better if you recommended your friends to use another email app that directly focuses on unencrypted mail handling if that is what you are looking for.
anedroid
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