Personally I think alt-text is valuable for everyone, not for just people with visual impairments. I read alt-text all the time. I'm curious if my theory that a wide swath of people read alt-text is true.
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- I'm not visually impaired & rarely read AltTxt (21%, 774 votes)
- I'm not visually impaired & often read AltTxt (76%, 2786 votes)
- I'm visually impaired & rarely read AltTxt (0%, 24 votes)
- I'm visually impaired & often read AltTxt (1%, 54 votes)
Andre Louis
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Just so. Which part of this picture do I want the onlooker to focus on.
Plus some alt text is hilarious. Not mine 🙃 but I do like hunting for Easter eggs
Laura "Tegan" Gjovaag ⛈ 🐸
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •gloriouscow
in reply to Laura "Tegan" Gjovaag ⛈ 🐸 • • •i like hiding little bits of humor in alt text but i've worried that overdoing it might be annoying to people with actual need for it
nellie-m
in reply to gloriouscow • • •@gloriouscow @realtegan
I like to add extra bits of humour especially with them in mind. Or some more background info. I don’t think it’s annoying, more like a little extra treat that makes reading it more enjoyable.
I think alt-text readers all deserve an extra smile or giggle 🙂
Make 🍁
in reply to gloriouscow • • •CaptainAyeAye
in reply to Laura "Tegan" Gjovaag ⛈ 🐸 • • •Humor and snark are always welcome, but the context is key.
megabyteGhost
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •For the love of humanity
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •🔥Cassandra🔥
in reply to For the love of humanity • • •Peter Vágner
in reply to 🔥Cassandra🔥 • •@🔥Cassandra🔥 @For the love of humanity @Yehuda TurtleIsland.social Yes, screen readers actually do read the poll choices.
Additionally for screen reader users saying I'm a screen reader user And I skip reading alt text is very rare if not inpossible as screen readers are setup to present the images with alt text and skip images without it by default.
like this
Yehuda TurtleIsland.social, 🔥Cassandra🔥 and For the love of humanity like this.
🔥Cassandra🔥
in reply to Peter Vágner • • •Lucy Curtis
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Ahimsa
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •My eyes are still pretty good (with reading glasses) but my brain? Not so much!
So often I need to read the image description to understand what I'm looking at and/or why it's relevant.
It's an added bonus when the alt text is written very well. Some folks are able to craft wonderful little stories about the images of people, animals or places they've posted. ❤️
PS. Adding a reminder that folks can add alt text to GIFs and videos, not just static images!
mcc
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in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Ellie
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I struggle with discerning things at low-contrast, or just knowing wtf I'm supposed to be looking at.
The text is important. The image is optional, but usually doesn't provide anything that the text didn't already do. It usually feels like a waste of bandwidth more than anything else.
I show the alt-text first and click through to the images sometimes.
Will
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •At this point, 245 people have taken this survey and only 2% say, "I'm visually impaired & often read AltTxt."
I'm surprised it's that low.
Make 🍁
in reply to Will • • •@scandigonian I don't mean this to offend anyone, but those of us that are vocal about alt text might just be louder than those who need it. 😅
It's a bit like that crude joke "How do you know someone is vegan? They'll tell you". This poll is the perfect bait for anyone who wants—on some level—to brag about their commitment to alt text. I'd be lying if I didn't say some part of me is fishing for a thank you. However, this poll also highlights that I too have noticed alt text has made the Internet better for me. Hence (IMO) the overwhelming bias towards "not needed but yes I read it".
Coach Spore Diesel
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Make 🍁
in reply to Coach Spore Diesel • • •Pino Carafa
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Yup. No visual deficiencies. Always read it. Always write it.
With memes I tend to keep it short. E.g. I just say "finger guy meme" for the one on this reply. When it's something visual I describe it. When it's one of my cats I like to keep it funny and I use their names, "calico tortie Thebe" or "tuxedo tom Tobi".
Make 🍁
in reply to Pino Carafa • • •Pinky
in reply to Pino Carafa • • •Your Alt-text is meaningless to someone with low or no vision. "Finger guy." What does that even mean? If someone has never seen the meme, what is its relevance? What is the guy doing? What is his facial expression? What happened to his finger?
CaliCarol
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in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Human Brain Enthusiast
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •@jf_718 alt text helps hugely with searching and filtering and sometimes it does with understanding what’s going on in an imags.
Another advantage is for people with slow connections.
Sneezy B 🚲 🏳️⚧️
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •MWT
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I'm borderline visually impaired insofar as I'm old and often looking at tiny images on my phone screen, so I read alt text to find out what I'm looking at. It's especially helpful if the image has text (cartoons etc).
When I write alt text I mostly aim for context rather than literal visual description of everything in the picture.
Helenisenough
in reply to MWT • • •Yes, alt text for an image with writing is a blessing for my predbyopia
EinsPossum, Hass-Ära 2.0
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I dont really read it but i still think its important to have.
But i use subtitles on movies etc even though i speak the language, so yeah these things arent always *just* for the people you might have in mind first.
Make 🍁
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in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •AltText is important because the hard truth is that not everyone can make a coherent meme.
There. I said it.
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in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •muddle
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I agreed with you before I saw the poll results, which absolutely agree with you.
I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw of a caretaker shovelling snow off the steps into a school, saying something like "when I'm done with this, I can work on the ramp." The response is "yeah, but if you did the ramp first, then everyone could get in together."
eggbreaker.exe
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Nazo
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •John M. Gamble
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I usually put more posting text in the image's alt text than I do in the post.
I'm often frustrated by how often the alt text reporting bot ranks my instance. Sometimes we get over 50%, but not often.
Nagaram
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Ruby Tails > FWA
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I have visual impairments, but not blindness specifically. Alt-text is still used by me on occasion for additional context and those times where I'm encountering a slow/spotty connection.
I'd imagine TTS would be handy for those times my eyes are badly fatigued and I can't look at the display.
John D'oh
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Not visually impaired and sometimes read Alt-Text. I can’t force it into the ‘often’ or ‘rarely’ cubby holes.
Dr Neenah Estrella-Luna
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Solarbird
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I'm not visually impaired and checked "rarely" but "rarely" includes _occasionally_, which I _absolutely do_.
But as a percentage of images I see, it is indeed rare.
J4ck
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I use it as an opportunity to understand things that aren't visually clear.
Famous people are big here. I'm not very "up" on television/etc. and don't always recognize celebrities.
an actual bus
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •So much accessibility tech is useful to everyone. I use the buttons to open doors all the time when I'm carrying something cumbersome. I use the wheelchair ramps when I'm pushing something on wheels. I use a screen magnifier to make sure pixels line up when working on a code project. I can look elsewhere than the pedestrian crossing light when waiting because it'll beep when it's my turn.
There's literally no argument against making society accessible.
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Draconic NEO
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I don't often read it. I have good vision and I don't often have data connectivity issues. I still provide alt-text in images I post because I know some people need it.
If you come across something I posted which doesn't have it please let me know politely and I'll add it.
Frances Perkins was right
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •A Republic, while we kept it
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in reply to Rebecca Segers • • •Marine Tachibana
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •It is really helpful if alt text explains the joke in the image.
English is not my first language and often it is hard to understand what is going on.
Forest Fern
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in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Pinky
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I use the Moshidon app and use the filter to hide pics that don't have alt-text. Occasionally, I'll check the Media tab on a profile, and this is what I see
Pinky
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Quester 🌤️🌈
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •I appreciate people who take the time to actually write a descriptive alt text and do so myself.
Just adding one word that does not even describe what’s in the photo is utterly useless.
Jess Torley (Wilson) [she/her]
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in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •(not impaired) Recently I installed a script to have the AltText appearing just below the image so I can read it without moving the mouse!
pia_ranha
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in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •GuB
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Alternative text must be used -as it has been designed for- as an alternative for people who need it, not like a creative extra text field for jokes or exclusives informations. The role of alt text is precisely to reduce the understanding gap between peoples, not to expand it.
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GuB
in reply to GuB • • •If you want to do two-step jokes, use CW or reply to your own message.
2/2
Epic Null
in reply to GuB • • •Colin
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •more promising than my old poll results.
This was from years ago though. And tiny but close (to me) sample size. Hopefully folk’s stance has improved since.
birdbutt.com/@colinstu/1107131…
Colin (@colinstu@birdbutt.com)
Colin (Birdbutt)Fardels Bear
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •The primary impact of an image is visual. It delivers and unpacks in an instant a universe of cultural connotations, a fist of meaning. So much so that all I can describe in alt-text is my impression of the image. I try to describe it as neutrally as possible but it's only ever going be a subjective impression with the details foregrounded that are most important to me. Being autistic doesn't help, because I'm faced with a plethora of competing choices.
So I rarely look at alt-text.
EF
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in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Dragomana
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •-Gives me the context of memes and other pics I don't understand just by looking at them.
-A certain image won't load (app issues, server issues, connection issues).
-I'm curious to see how other people describe images. I genuinely enjoy it sometimes as someone interested in writing, and it gives me ideas for my own ALT descriptions.
David
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Schroedingers_Cat
in reply to Yehuda TurtleIsland.social • • •Sometimes. Maybe not often.
I agree that it is really important for everyone.