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I honestly wish the audio games forum was shutting down instead of @AppleVis but on a more serious note, I'd love the site to be given to the community or archived in some way because this is blindness history and there is no other comparable repository of accessible apps for iOS. Can someone, anyone, talk to David and the team and preserve the apps databases, at least? Give the website to the community, don't just shut it down completely because there's a lot of community value. Shut down the forums, but at least keep the repositories and blog posts alive for as long as the domain and host will last. applevis.com/blog/end-era-mess… #Apple #Blind #Accessibility

The End of an Era: A Message From the Founder as We Announce the Closure of AppleVis | AppleVis

Dear AppleVis Community, It is with deep sadness and a heavy heart that after careful consideration I have made the difficult decision to step down from my responsibilities with AppleVis.
www.applevis.com
#Accessibility #apple #blind @AppleVis
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Jamie Teh
Jamie Teh
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Someone still has to pay for the hosting and bandwidth and maintain the system; security updates, etc. And even if someone else offered to do it, the AppleVis folks have to trust that they'll do a good job and not misrepresent anything or tarnish its historical reputation. Situations like this are super tricky. The reality of the situation is that because this was all voluntary, they owe the community nothing, nor should they.
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Jamie Teh
Jamie Teh
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Ideally, there might have been a succession plan from the beginning, both technical and management, but there wasn't. And again, since it was all voluntary, no one can expect that. It is what it is. Very sad though.
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Zachary Bennoui
Zachary Bennoui
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@jcsteh I totally see and understand what you're saying, but if they knew about this several months in advance, why didn't they start a search for someone who could potentially take it on? I'm sure there are many in this community who are trustworthy and want to see the site succeed, and have the necessary skills to make that happen. It doesn't make sense, and both the blog post and final decision seem rushed without much consideration.
@Jamie Teh
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Amanda Carson
Amanda Carson
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@jcsteh Seconding Jamie. Situations like the AppleVis one are incredibly tricky, from just about every standpoint, but especially the community aspect.
@Jamie Teh
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Pratik Patel
Pratik Patel
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@acarson @jcsteh Rather than second-guess the decision, I'd rather focus on what we can do. I've stated earlier that I'm willing to take over the main responsibility with the community's help. I'm certain that there will be many issues to consider. I'm Going to give this a bit of thought and organize something in a day or so.
@Jamie Teh @Amanda Carson
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victor tsaran
victor tsaran
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@ppatel @acarson @jcsteh Agree… I did write to David asking him for the list of things that anyone wanting to take this on would have to consider. I somehow think website / Drupal administration is not going to be the hardest of them. :) Yes, there is web hosting and such, but in David’s blog entry it seemed like the concerns were beyond technical.
@Jamie Teh @Pratik Patel @Amanda Carson
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Jamie Teh
Jamie Teh
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@acarson @vick21 @ppatel The handover itself is a lot of work. Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with that. Sometimes with community projects, you feel like you can never leave, because even if you pass it to someone else, you still end up answering questions, resolving issues, providing guidance, etc. I'm not saying this is necessarily the way I would choose to do things - as I said, ideally there would have been succession planning - but also understand how exhausting this kind of thing can be. It's entirely reasonable that someone would just be over it and want a clean out.
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victor tsaran
victor tsaran
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@jcsteh @acarson @ppatel Absolutely! There is no obligation on David’s part to begin with… :) I think I am amazed that Applevis has been able to exist for so long. An amazing community effort without a doubt.
@Jamie Teh @Pratik Patel @Amanda Carson
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Pratik Patel
Pratik Patel
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@vick21 @jcsteh @acarson Absolutely. I don't disagree with any of this. My intention so far is to get as much information from David and the team as possible and deal with issues as they arise. If they're not willing to transition the site, then we should plan for something else without placing the burden on them.
@Jamie Teh @victor tsaran @Amanda Carson
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Cristobal
Cristobal
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@jcsteh @jscholes No idea how it works, but couldn’t the website be saved to the Internet Archive?
@James Scholes @Jamie Teh
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David Goldfield
David Goldfield
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@Cristobalm @jcsteh @jscholes I've moderated several discussion groups over the years and none of them were as big and numerous as the ones on AppleVis. Even moderating those small groups, one or two in particular, were quite a chore as I had to deal with a small subset of users who couldn't seem to follow simple guidelines. It was taking a toll on my mental health and I gave them up and never once looked back. In my case, I put the word out that I was looking for someone to take over and I had people who were willing to step up. With AppleVis, just moderating those forums would be quite a huge job and you'd need several moderators, possibly one or two for each forum.
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