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After three intense months of work from more than a dozen contributors, #deltachat 2.48 releases are rolling. Maybe the most feature-packed releases ever?

- "zero metadata" messaging

- native Audio/Video calls on Android and iOS, as well as UbuntuTouch

- Group and Channel descriptions

- A new background audio player

- Revamped Download-on-Demand

and, last but not least, the long-awaited next-generation of messaging resiliency through "multi-path" routing ....

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Delta Chat: Zero metadata, group descriptions, native audio/video calls and much more!

With the latest 2.48+ releases, a chat message reveals close to zero metadata to servers. For cryptographers and messenger enthusiasts, here are the key points on how we turned email very close to ...
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Kenny

No. Using email as a backbone is one of the big selling points. Otherwise, there's dozens of apps out there. Using the email infrastructure brings advantages no other protocol can bring, such as censorship resistance.
That's not the issue here. For example, the blog post mentions multiple relays, but only one seems to be used for sending, which feels like that meme of a miner giving up right before reaching diamonds. If Delta Chat would send each message from a random relay, the problem would pretty much be solved. Alas, I have a love-hate relationship with Delta Chat, and I often find the choices of the devs puzzling.
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@kbruen @zaire we are proceeding step-wise and aim to provide stable user experiences across versions. In the last section of the blog post delta.chat/en/2026-03-31-zero#… we already sketch a path forward that includes switching sending relays. But we need to move and change an implementation, and cant just work on the idea level alone.

Delta Chat: Zero metadata, group descriptions, native audio/video calls and much more!

With the latest 2.48+ releases, a chat message reveals close to zero metadata to servers. For cryptographers and messenger enthusiasts, here are the key points on how we turned email very close to ...
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Kenny

I've read the blog post. The last section doesn't say that you plan to have sending through random relays. Besides words that make the blog post feel like corporate slop ("research and iterative streamlining of multi-path operations"), what I gather from that section is that you plan to replace manually adding relays with automatically adding a relay after discovering it. If there will still be a primary relay where all the messages come out of, that doesn't address what I said, and it still provides metadata that users can be identified by.
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@kbruen @zaire

I like the step-by-step approach.

As soon as address-randomization is reached, the next complaint is that only the same n-adresses are in the pool. So the next request is to let DC create its own addresses. Get me right: This would be an awesome feature, I just use this to demonstrate that this is the nature of iterative approaches and ongoing improvements.

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Kenny

I'm not complaining about iterative development, I'm complaining about the blog post being titled "Zero metadata, ...", the Fedi post having the bullet point "- "zero metadata" messaging", the reply saying "this release goes all the way".
Those are all incorrect, and the blog post text saying "close to zero metadata" sours the great achievement by introducing the shady vibe that asterisks and tiny texts in advertising gives.
The achievement of having removed so much metadata is great on its own, and I think misrepresenting it cheapens it and leaves a bad taste.
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@kbruen @dexternemrod @zaire in hindsight, maybe "zero metadata messages" would have been the more proper framing. Apart from the maybe too catchy tag the text goes into quite some details what "zero metadata" messages are about. We highlight in the "Telegram" section that while we are discussing about nitty gritty details of cryptographic terminology, they lure >1 billion users into thinking Telegram is secure ....
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@severin thanks! Unfortunately, it is not likely the apps will offer contact discovery themselves. It would bring #deltachat closer to being a social media app, and invite spam and abuse which we are not prepared to handle due to the decentralized nature of our efforts. We do not know, mediate or see any interactions between users, an providing central discovery would break that privacy property.
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Peter Vágner

@Kevin_Runforrest @Delta Chat Audio / video calls on android are lovely! In call UI is awesome, ability to toggle both camera and microphone is working. There is even ability to switch audio outputs (speaker / ear piece).

An improvement to the future would be even more integrated incoming call notification experience. It would be nice to reuse android system support for this part too, so we can mute the ringer sound by pressing volume button and accept the incoming call by using the headset button.

I mean both convenience and accessibility when describing this.

Currently accepting the call can be done either by tapping the buttons in the notification area or tapping incoming call entry in the incoming message list. That includes multiple steps. Showing incoming call popup similar to how other apps are doing it would be more accessible.

Please don't take this as a complaining. I like these advancements very much. This is how I am envisioning it to work for the future.

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jaseg

thanks for the clarification. speaking from my network security background, the whole timing leakage is what i’d call metadata and what your “zero metadata” thing is protecting (AFAIU timestamps and cryptographic identities) in a cryptographic protocol i’d consider straight up data, not metadata.

thinking about an average user of a secure comms tool, i’d expect they would be surprised to learn that something that is “zero metadata” still leaks timing and through correlation identities.

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@jaseg in the very first sentence we try to clarify the scope, i.e. "With the latest 2.48+ releases, a chat message reveals close to zero metadata to servers." The key phrase here is "to servers", and we then detail all the data that was made invisible to the server.
If you want to discuss this further, it's maybe better done in a support forum post.
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@pancake thanks a lot for the report, we have a theory, how that could happen, i created an issue for that at github.com/deltachat/deltachat… - maybe you can confirm or refine the issue there

profile invisible after update on macOS · Issue #6177 · deltachat/deltachat-desktop

this was reported at https://mastodon.social/@pancake@infosec.exchange/116329299237001520 not sure if the same issue, but i could reproduce the following. install via .dmg from delta.chat open app,...
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