What is wrong with software developers to tolerate this kind of bullshit? Imagine the same pressure on medical doctors (or any other profession): 'Use this new X tool or leave the profession'. Wouldn't end well probably.
What the debate really needed was one more reductionist dichotomy, we should all be grateful for the courage of a rich man who stands to financially benefit from folks complying with his threats.
> Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon.
"This is the latest example of a strange marketing strategy by AI companies. Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon."
"Each alone, they go west or north, towards the mountains. They go on. They leave Omelas, they walk ahead into the darkness, and they do not come back. The place they go towards is a place even less imaginable to most of us than the city of happiness. I cannot describe it at all. It is possible that it does not exist. But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas."
-- The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas, by Ursula K. LeGuin
AI can make itself useful and then perhaps it gets embraced.
They always say it's so useful and a competitive edge but I never see any of its usefulness. They need to promote it so very much because the product doesn't speak for itself
I survived 32 years before the World Wide Web was opened to the public. I’ll do just fine now without it. I still have a flip phone around here somewhere. 😉 #enshittification
I'm sure it's entirely coincidental that GitHub has their own AI tool. Surely they aren't just trying to scare people with their "get on board or become irrelevant" talk. Surely not.
It reminds a lot back when Google tried to shoehorn Google+ into every product of theirs, be that Gmail or YouTube.
Microsoft tries so hard, every operating system component, every software suite, every app, every webinterface has this goddamn useless AI shit shoehorned in that I gotta hide, block or remove every time.
to Mr. GITHUB CEO I say this: "I am not a tech person. I am just a bookkeeper. I am 75 years old and I have heard 'Embrace [the metric system, flying cars, white supremacy, nuclear power plants, the V8 engine, America Online, blockchain...] or get out'. I have seen them come and go. You might rue your words someday."
I can't comprehend why the push for AI is so hard. I understand that it will benefit them in the future (when AI get trained well enough by software engineers using it) by lowering costs from employing people. But damn it feels like propaganda at this point.
I write code for mathematical research projects, thus the main purpose is understanding. If something else writes the code, I will have no understanding. Therefore, AI for me remains irrelevant.
for now, this is me as well. Haven't tried it myself really. Just that the indicators point to different target goals. It's not mature enpugh yet. Guess I will sample on occasion when indicators start to change.
The company I work for has effectively said that as well. Although more subtly, that basically future career opportunities may be limited unless we embrace AI. Based on what I’ve seen so far, the future is not bright for business as we put our faith into this unreliable technology.
that should mean poking holes, challenging, asking who will be left out, what harm can happen, why - but I fear it's just about making developers users - the one thing we've never really thought of ourselves as.
@gytisrepecka @Codeberg @forgejo and I can repeat what I always tell people saying this: GitHub sponsors us with significant (CI) infrastructure that no one else does, so moving off would be a significant blow to the project I don't see anyone benefiting from.
@gytisrepecka @NGIZero @Codeberg @forgejo let me go back and double-check the number of alternative funding options we have in the queue... oh, right: **zero**.
So yeah, until someone with big pockets steps up and offer a competing funding option I rather not rock the boat.
Ozzelot
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Bill
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •daniel:// stenberg://
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •GitHub CEO delivers stark message to developers: Embrace AI or get out
Alistair Barr (Business Insider)Tomi the Slav and 1024 others
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Imagine the same pressure on medical doctors (or any other profession): 'Use this new X tool or leave the profession'.
Wouldn't end well probably.
Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •crazyeddie
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •That's going to be a rather cold embrace. Enough to chill a soul into ICE. Just how a basilisk likes 'em.
*sth sth sth*
saxnot @ 39C3
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •The same GitHub? lol
saxnot @ 39C3
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •they put it on point here:
> Instead of selling products based on helpful features and letting users decide, executives often deploy scare tactics that essentially warn people they will become obsolete if they don't get on the AI bandwagon.
Mufeed Ali
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Vincent Sparks
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in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •David
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •AI coding tools make developers slower but they think they're faster, study finds
Thomas Claburn (The Register)Sean M. Collins
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •this asshole trained his LLM on all our code, and then says thanks for the code, now drop dead.
Fuck these people
Enema Cowboy
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in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •daniel:// stenberg://
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in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •stopka pucharka szklanego
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in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Juliette
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •I'm still waiting for the first court cases about copyright and license violations due to the use of AI.
I've yet to come across an ethically trained AI product.
Pushing a product which is based on theft of copyrighted material is the epitome of capitalist douche-bags.
ValknutDoc
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •¿Y quién se quedó fuera? Los vendedores de velas.
Jason 🍸🫧
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •ebrum
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Robin
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Firstly, I'm not ever gonna embrace A.I even if hell freezes over.
And second; Thomas Dohmke can get in the sea!'
FoolishOwl
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •"Each alone, they go west or north, towards the mountains. They go on. They leave Omelas, they walk ahead into the darkness, and they do not come back. The place they go towards is a place even less imaginable to most of us than the city of happiness. I cannot describe it at all. It is possible that it does not exist. But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas."
-- The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas, by Ursula K. LeGuin
Sune Stolborg Vuorela
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Betoniusz
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •saxnot @ 39C3
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •AI can make itself useful and then perhaps it gets embraced.
They always say it's so useful and a competitive edge but I never see any of its usefulness. They need to promote it so very much because the product doesn't speak for itself
vbeyette 🇨🇦
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •davidb2111
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in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Marius (windsheep)
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •That reminds me of that "Don't use IntelliSense" club in the 2000s.
AI writes good commit messages. Would I use it to develop Linux kernel features? Probably not. Would I join a club now?
Kerplunk
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •When search included AI the results reminded of something from a drugged dream.
NO AI wanted here.
Cabbidges
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Charles P.
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Thomas Svensson 🖖
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •I got out time ago and found, from a #Fediverse tip, codeberg.org/ to use instead of GitHub for my Open Source ideas.
The simplicity UI delivered #bliss
Thomas Frans 🇺🇦
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •DaCool
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •It reminds a lot back when Google tried to shoehorn Google+ into every product of theirs, be that Gmail or YouTube.
Microsoft tries so hard, every operating system component, every software suite, every app, every webinterface has this goddamn useless AI shit shoehorned in that I gotta hide, block or remove every time.
Alex Jahan
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •分 Bifurkatus
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Toni Aittoniemi
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Desperate calls of desperate men..
If they could sell it and make money with it, they wouldn’t have to resort to this nonsense!
Maybe they should go to the military-industrial complex. They have infinite money.
Just leave us out of it! 🙂
xyhhx 🔻 (plz hire me)
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •as i said earlier:
nso.group/@xyhhx/1149816589913…
xyhhx 🔻 (plz hire me) (@xyhhx@nso.group)
Kim-Jong Cracks SocialMatt Chambers
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •young man yells at the cloud
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •great excuse to remove curl from his platform.
(probably not worth doing, but fun to think about)
Kailas Idavanmuzhi
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •am at risk of losing my job to AI atm, what should I do in order to be safe at this point? Personally I don't want to embrace AI..
But how can I be job secure then..
Please help
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in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Club No AI t-shirts coming in 5,4,3…
@bagder
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in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Dionysus
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •I understand that it will benefit them in the future (when AI get trained well enough by software engineers using it) by lowering costs from employing people.
But damn it feels like propaganda at this point.
egri-nagy
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •I write code for mathematical research projects, thus the main purpose is understanding. If something else writes the code, I will have no understanding. Therefore, AI for me remains irrelevant.
I'm in the out club too.
Sean Reynolds
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •album by Less Than Jake
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"embrace AI or get out"
"don't threaten me with a good time..."
The Photonsphere
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in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •chicating
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in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Gytis Repečka
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •curlaway from GitHub to something nicer - @Codeberg or self-hosted @forgejo ?daniel:// stenberg://
in reply to Gytis Repečka • • •Gytis Repečka
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Sorry, I am not aware how big or complex it has to be.
But maybe there are some European options? Attn. @NGIZero
@Codeberg @forgejo
daniel:// stenberg://
in reply to Gytis Repečka • • •@gytisrepecka @NGIZero @Codeberg @forgejo let me go back and double-check the number of alternative funding options we have in the queue... oh, right: **zero**.
So yeah, until someone with big pockets steps up and offer a competing funding option I rather not rock the boat.
David Bremner
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Jimmy Sjölund
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation
Tom Warren (The Verge)Karel P Kerezman
in reply to daniel:// stenberg:// • • •Embrace? Nah.
Extend? Pass.
Extinguish? OK, now we've reached the part of Microsoft's methodology I can get behind in this specific case...