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Much of what is commonly said about #email and #openpgp is wrong. It can very well be fast and secure and that's a claim backed by working code and deployments and audits (#chatmail servers and the #deltachat family of apps). There is no both-sides-have-opinions game to be played here. Internet-scale messaging alternatives are arguably either centralized or brittle. There is however much room for further improvements including deep changes in how we commonly understand email today. Stay tuned :)
#email #openpgp #deltachat #chatmail
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That’s actually the one thing I’m most looking forward to when I can finally make Ltt.rs my primary email client: Good, native #autocrypt / #openpgp support.

The OpenPGP spec or even the libraries aren’t the problem. It’s just bad clients that treat E2EE as an afterthought.

#JMAP

#openpgp #autocrypt #JMAP
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@daniel if you engage there let us know if you need help. The @rpgp lib we use is top notch and security audited but autocrypt and higher level handling us in the deltachat rust core. Could be factored out into an own crate probably.
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To be fair, we should have mentioned #xmpp as an internet scalable solution that exists and works but maybe it could be said it doesn't reach pervasive end-to-end encryption? Anyways, sorry for not incorporating its existence better in what was posted.
#xmpp
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I don’t have the numbers (Maybe we can try digging some up) but my best guess is that the overwhelming majority of messages flowing through the public XMPP network are OMEMO encrypted these days. (Excluding those to and from public channels, obviously)
Yes there are clients that don’t have OMEMO but I don’t think they are responsible for a lot of the traffic.
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@daniel thanks for the insight! We'll see to better phrase things in the future .... As you know we are cooperating with xmpp messenger devs and do think there are interesting things to do together ... For example, bridging with end-to-end encryption may be doable if the right people manage to sit together and sort it out.
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All good. I didn’t even have any issues with your original post.
Things that have existed and evolved for 25 years are brittle.
The question is do you look at the 2-3 clients we actually recommend or everything under the sun that calls itself #XMPP.

I’m not holding Delta Chat responsible for mutt+gnupg even though it would probably be somewhat compatible.

#xmpp
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@wiktor @rpgp indeed PGPainless by @vanitasvitae is what Ltt.rs uses. Autocrypt support already exists. It's just the lack of #JMAP providers that stop me from making Ltt.rs my everyday email client.
#JMAP @vanitasvitae @Wiktor Kwapisiewicz @rPGP
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@hpk @wiktor @rpgp @vanitasvitae You mean because you have to parse MIME anyway? Yes I still believe there are benefits to JMAP. The sync process is just a lot cleaner and you have submission via the same protocol.
The MIME that is inside a modern PGP encrypted email is also a lot saner than what you would find in some emails.

But yes I was a little upset when I learned that I do have to parse MIME after all.

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