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The only relevant feature for any instant messaging app (or social app, for that matter) is: Are my friends using it? People will gladly overlook minor inconsistencies or missing features as long as they can communicate with their friends. We shouldn’t recommend #Signal as a stepping stone before Jabber/XMPP becomes "good enough," if goodness is defined by the number of people using it.

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Daniel Gultsch

@ableijs The Matrix ecosystem is primarily dominated by one VC funded company. The server that everyone uses is developed by them. The client that everyone recommends is developed by them.

There are some baby steps towards a slightly more diverse ecosystem but for now it's a toss up between whether that's going to happen and enshittification once the VCs want their money back.

XMPP on the other hand is a healthy diverse ecosystem with various stake holders.

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Benedict

There are a bunch of server and even more client implementations. Yes, @element still has a lot of influence, but The @matrix Foundation is doing it's best to get independent and is funded by a really diverse ecosystem.

For example I'm the founder of a company based in #Dresden building on #matrix. Our Open Source client SDK #trixnity is used in the TI-Messenger of every German public health insurance company but one - so possibly millions of users. We also have an Open Source client #Tammy. Yes, we still have the problem, that Element is recommended by a lot of people but the same problem applies to a lot of Open Source ecosystems including #xmpp.

I'm pretty sure the ecosystem would survive without Element despite the fact that Element is doing a good job in pushing the ecosystem in the right direction despite the VC.

#xmpp #matrix #dresden #tammy #trixnity @The Matrix.org Foundation @Element
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Kris

@oceane You knowledge about XMPP is very outdated. It literally uses the Signal encryption algorithm for it's OMEMO e2ee. There are a few things that can be still improved about it (mostly clients catching up to the latest version of the OMEMO specs), but it is very much a viable alternative to Signal in regards to e2ee.
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antoniovr

@kris @oceane i was an xmpp user 20 years ago.But the fall wasnt only due to defederation. It was also cause it wasnt working properly when u had several devices connected simultaneously(depending on priority &connectivity messages were arriving to one device or the other).There was a fix(some server storage) but not all servers implemented it.With the encryption most are using omemo but there is still no encryption and pgp based...I think its easier to attract people to signal&matrix
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@kris @oceane @antoniovr Those fixes have been widely implemented about a decade ago gultsch.de/posts/the-state-of-…

The State of Mobile XMPP in 2016

XMPP is not suited for mobile devices. That’s a myth that has been around for ages. It is mostly spread by people who want to sell you their own proprietary instant messaging solution.
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