@MHS_Jenkins i'm thinking of installing debian testing, was on arch in the past, but to many bleedin updates every day. being blind debian testing may be a good choise? also a good middle ground between update frquency of updates and stability? please, don't get me started on f** snapps! I dispize them. they are squashfs filesystems mounted on boot and when say you run the firefox snap for the first time, it has to unsquashfs the file system it's why it takes a little time in launching. sorry about the rant! your thoughts on my progression path? why debian has all services start on install of a package I will never know.