I know about the collapse of traffic to sites like Stack Overflow, but is that also being seen on sites like ReadTheDocs?
This question partly motivated by a discussion I was having with someone about "where would one actually advertise?" in relation to the drop in my own business.

miki
in reply to David Beazley • • •THe Tailwind folks are complaining about it on their site (they used it to advertise paid Tailwind features, so it's a significant drop in revenue for them).
This is probably more of a problem for them than for anybody else (LLMs can and do look at docs, but they're effectively "ad blockers" and only give you the information you actually want / need, not what the website owner wants you to see). No idea what the impact is on other sites.
David Beazley
in reply to miki • • •miki
in reply to David Beazley • • •Yeah, for better and for worse, they give the user exactly what they want, no more and no less. Some consider this as a walled garden, others as a natural extension of fast forward, ad blocking and reader mode. I guess it depends on where you fall on the scale of author's rights versus reader's rights.
Though to be fair, I suspect that many authors will leverage this and find a way to speak to LLMs directly. With enough prompt engineering, you could probably convince an LLM reading your website to tell the user about something you care about. The line between jailbreaking and telling the user something they want to hear is blurry, just like the line between delivering genuinely useful commercial information and manipulation is blurry in advertising. It's a strange world we live in.
David Beazley
in reply to miki • • •@miki Well, I don't really want to be spending all my time figuring out how to tweak some algorithm to somehow surface my stuff.
I'm just trying to be an authentic person running an honest business. Something that seems to becoming increasingly impossible.