So remember how I was saying you shouldn’t have to know or care if your operating system is immutable for an immutable operating system to be usable by everyday folks? (You know, clever folks, like brain surgeons and astronauts, not just your regular garden variety tech hobbyist with time to spare following instructions from a wiki.)
Seems others think so too… #VanillaOS sounds very promising. #Fedora #Silverblue folks should take some notes.
Vanilla OS
Vanilla OS is an On-Demand immutable Linux based distribution which aims to provide a vanilla GNOME experience.vanillaos.org
mray
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Hm. How can there be a choice of package management when Ubuntu is the base? Seems more like optionally adding to it.
Hm. "Community" directly links to discord, code is hosted by Micrtosoft. #AlignedValues
Other than that, neat. Makes me curious what a "Chocolate" Distro would be like…
treefit
in reply to mray • • •I hate to say it, but discord has still better UX than element.
I haven't really tried mattermost or rocket.chat yet, but my hopes aren't that high from what I heard.
Still all those are probably usable so it's not a real excuse, but convenience does matter to most normies. 😩
mray
in reply to treefit • • •@treefit I would assume when you build a community around a Free Software operating system as alternativeto MacOS and Windows you kind of left the idea to cater to default "normies".
But I get your point, even without having used Discrod. It still says something about a community that asks members to maintain walled garden-accounts in order to participate, though.
treefit
in reply to mray • • •mray
in reply to treefit • • •@treefit Quick reminder: #DeltaChat requires a Microsoft account for raising issues and contributing code. Just saying 😏 …
#Codeberg
treefit
in reply to mray • • •Like yeah transifex is bad, also in terms of usability - its really laggy, but migration is quite some work and will our translators follow us to a new platform?
mray
in reply to treefit • • •@treefit With that attitude towards the network effect I don't see how DeltaChat has anything to offer; You can still send emails, even while having a WhatsApp account - right?
Incidentally Codeberg just recently added a translation service (weblate)… I'm certain your contributors would understand a move towards that direction.
treefit
in reply to mray • • •@mray If you really want to discuss this @r10s is the person you wanna talk to, not me, I personally would welcome a switch, but then again I'm neither a translator nor am I managing translation efforts.
Also ideology is not everything, shooting yourself in the foot because you aim for perfectionism is not a wise move, because it blocks your time from achieving actual good, like should I stop using public transport because they are hanging up cameras? I can walk too, just takes way longer 🤷
treefit
in reply to treefit • • •@mray @r10s
BTW nothing is set in stone you can join deltachat and move the translations in this direction and convince the others with arguments to follow your approach. 😉
Pauxlll Kruczynski
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Nah :tg_rose:
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Hello! Maybe it should be the other way around :)
In Fedora Silverblue, every change you make can be reverted, even updates, because OSTree works like a `git`, where everything is a commit.
In Vanilla OS, this does not happen. And every change you make to the system is permanent. `almost` only achieves immutability by setting the `i` flag on all files and directories, nothing else.
jollyrogue
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •It can be done. macOS has been immutable for a while, and most people haven’t noticed. 🙂 Aside from noticing the giant updates.
Alpine Linux has a couple of modes which are immutable. I think it’s data mode.
The way forward is probably figuring out how to get logind to spawn a container for each account and use a transparent / overlay per account for system level customizations. I have no idea how that would actually work, so I’m just stringing words together. 😆
wizzwizz4
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •A driver manager is a fascinating idea. It's something we *shouldn't* need, but very clearly do. I look forward to learning more about it.
On an unrelated note, this website is really hard to read. All the icons are text, there are big flickery flashy images when the page loads, it's completely broken in reader mode somehow, and – fascinatingly – I have to turn *on* the screen reader to access FAQs past the first? (I "Click to Expand", but nothing's happening.)