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I am becoming increasingly doubtful of #Telegram's background and direction. #WhatsApp is owned by #Meta and just announced that it will introduce ads. So, it looks like I'm left with #Signal and #Matrix. The former has better UX, but it's centralized and US-based. The latter is a bit clumsy but decentralized and EU-based. Neither is perfect, but they are the closest to it for me.

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Jiří Eischmann

@ondra @delta I'm also not sure people would buy it from me again. I convinced a lot of people in 2015-2018 to switch to Telegram. It looked like a good option back then. WhatsApp had absolutely abysmal security (it was even plain text at the beginning), XMPP was a dead duck, Signal was just starting... If I came to them now and say "forget everything I told you and switch to Delta Chat", I don't think they would listen. So I'll just go with the flow which is currently Signal and Matrix around me.
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All these thoughts are unfortunately completely irrelevant. Whatever I think about #Telegram (or #Signal for that matter) doesn't matter when I don't know almost anybody using it. All my friends, family, and such are on #WhatsApp so that's it for me. I actually use a bridge (by #Element, paid for) from #Matrix, but without that I would either have to use their app or be that strange guy who communicates only via #SMS (as I was for many years).

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Jiří Eischmann

@mcepl @ondra @delta the thing is that everyone I regularly chat with has Telegram. Often because I told them to get it. It isn't difficult to convince people to use Telegram because in terms of features and UX it's the best messenger, by far better than WhatsApp and it isn't a rarity. It's used by more than a billion users world wide. So my problem isn't that everyone is on WhatsApp, my problem is that everyone is on Telegram. 😐
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Jachym Cepicky

@mcepl @ondra @delta

Well, I managed to move the core of my friends to Signal. Or managed to convince them to install it because of me.

But the truth is, they all have WhatsApp in parallel and if they could make the choice, moving me back to WhatsApp too would make their life much easier

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Jiří Eischmann

@spla see: social.vivaldi.net/@sesivany/1…
I'd be happy to switch to it if people around me start using it, but I don't want to be an evangelist of another messenger again.

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@ondra @delta I'm also not sure people would buy it from me again. I convinced a lot of people in 2015-2018 to switch to Telegram. It looked like a good option back then. WhatsApp had absolutely abysmal security (it was even plain text at the beginning), XMPP was a dead duck, Signal was just starting... If I came to them now and say "forget everything I told you and switch to Delta Chat", I don't think they would listen. So I'll just go with the flow which is currently Signal and Matrix around me.

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🔗 David Sommerseth

I've been playing quite a bit with @simplex as a Signal alternative.

It's much better in the privacy aspects, but it still has a lot to go to make it as easy to use for average users. And there is no "Signal desktop" equivalent. There is an app, yes, but you can't link devices. Or at least, I haven't figured out how yet. And at times it suddenly seems to start draining the battery; not too often - but it happens.

That said, it seems a lot more stable than Signal. I've experienced often that Signal messages arrives with quite some delay. Simplex is much more reliable in that aspect. And random spam messages from unknown senders are basically impossible in practice.

And in some aspects, it's even closer to Telegram - as there are several types of various chat rooms as well.

I have hope Simplex will improve further.

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Stanislav Ochotnický

whenever I hear someone talk about matrix I remember reading this soatok.blog/2024/08/14/securit… and realize why I don't want to use/recommend it.

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