For blind people like me, if AI solves a captcha it's a miracle, not a problem. Companies should rethink client-based human verification; captcha is a discriminatory message. If you -company- experience fraud, it's not my responsibility to tell you I'm a human. It's your responsibility to protect me SERVER side, not placing a guardian with the gun at the door who kicks me out if I'm blind, deaf or cognitive impaired, because I can't solve the quiz you implemented. #accessibility #a11y
The biggest embarrassment is when a captcha is set up into an e-commerce, forum, social platform etc, which claims to be inclusive or stuff like that. They do not care of what "this is to verify if you're a human" means. And when you contact them they say "I'm sorry, I'll let you know..." I could use less elegant expressions here, but I'm talking in public and keep the effort to behave accordingly.
Point of view - "accessibility cookies" could be perceived like the fidelity cards you have in shops, to get some advantages in buying. But the same - I should have the right to decide, to choose, wheter to be "monitored" for my need whatever they are, without getting disadvantages if I choose not. This can apply to everything from shopping in physical environment, to technology related activities.
the difference between such cards and not is that they aren't to allow you in the store at all and most people don't need one, so it's not like a members only situation
All these discussions about captcha and #accessibility are the demonstration of how reality is infected by inclusion-washing and performative activism. Everyone to talk about #PrideMonth in June, disability day in December, #a11y day #gaad in May, but then facts are always where they've always been: in 1999 or before. With illusions to solve it all with some out-of-box solution. (1/2)
i know this is 1/2 but it reminds me how i've expressed frustration before about how people talk about companies having to get rid of accessibility features (namely Disney but they just get a lot of press - it's an issue with so many companies) because too many folks are taking advantage of them.
but the reason folks take advantage of them is because they've chosen to make the normal system brutal and horrible to the average person. it's their system they designed.
the average person should not stand in line in hot weather for hours to get on a ride. it's not just miserable - it's bad for a relatively able person's health.
the reason people typically will "fake" a disability for accommodations is because really, everyone should have them
the curb cut effect has it backwards so often
it's simply showing how we design things poorly for everyone and then get angry when people want access
@deilann As a blind I always grin mischievously when a sighted says "damn, I must wear glasses to read this box, this paper, this screen". Yes honey, this is the world you've helped to create. You made your bed, now lie on it. I'm just struggling to make a better bed, a better world, not just for me but for you as well. Despite you shouldn't deserve, given your behaviour.
@talksina i have significant usable peripheral vision depending on how badly i'm getting day blindness but forms are always incredibly difficult for me
as my vision loss progressed i was astounded by the reality that neither my optometrist or vision therapist had large print or digital forms
the people who monitor my vision loss don't have accessible paperwork
when i tore a muscle in my shoulder and had to see a orthopedic specialist who specifically only worked with shoulder injuries all the paperwork was to be filled out by hand
when the vast majority of his patients were people who could not use one arm
Elena Brescacin
in reply to Moreno Colaiacovo 🧬 💻 🌿 🇮🇹 🇪🇺 • • •deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified:
in reply to Elena Brescacin • • •not just kicks us out
says we're not human
deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified:
in reply to deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified: • • •also captcha like that have not been very useful for a long time
which is why they're getting worse and worse, which makes it harder and harder for disabled folks to solve them - never mind everyone else
and those who want to bot just route the captcha to humans they pay pennies if anything at all
Elena Brescacin
in reply to deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified: • • •deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified:
in reply to Elena Brescacin • • •i have accessibility cookies for the major providers so i don't encounter most captcha
but that system is also disgusting
i shouldn't have to ask for a cookie i have to keep on my system that marks me as disabled
Elena Brescacin
in reply to deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified: • • •deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified:
in reply to Elena Brescacin • • •100%
the difference between such cards and not is that they aren't to allow you in the store at all and most people don't need one, so it's not like a members only situation
Elena Brescacin
in reply to deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified: • • •deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified:
in reply to Elena Brescacin • • •i know this is 1/2 but it reminds me how i've expressed frustration before about how people talk about companies having to get rid of accessibility features (namely Disney but they just get a lot of press - it's an issue with so many companies) because too many folks are taking advantage of them.
but the reason folks take advantage of them is because they've chosen to make the normal system brutal and horrible to the average person. it's their system they designed.
the average person should not stand in line in hot weather for hours to get on a ride. it's not just miserable - it's bad for a relatively able person's health.
the reason people typically will "fake" a disability for accommodations is because really, everyone should have them
the curb cut effect has it backwards so often
it's simply showing how we design things poorly for everyone and then get angry when people want access
Elena Brescacin
in reply to deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified: • • •deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified:
in reply to Elena Brescacin • • •@talksina
i have significant usable peripheral vision depending on how badly i'm getting day blindness but forms are always incredibly difficult for me
as my vision loss progressed i was astounded by the reality that neither my optometrist or vision therapist had large print or digital forms
the people who monitor my vision loss don't have accessible paperwork
that's how badly we're sticking to these systems
deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified:
in reply to deilann v -0.2 :neodog_hyper: :neodog_nom_verified: • • •@talksina
similarly:
when i tore a muscle in my shoulder and had to see a orthopedic specialist who specifically only worked with shoulder injuries all the paperwork was to be filled out by hand
when the vast majority of his patients were people who could not use one arm