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Just had to reinstall Windows again and holy gram crackers, the amount of DeBloating I have to do just to get my laptop usable is just wild! 2 scripts get me half way there, after I added some of my own but oh man this was such a bad experience it made me wanna spend time looking for a custom ISO of Windows instead. If there's anybody in #Linux that would like to make a distro that is maintained and good for poor, non-tech, multiply disabled people to use, now would be a fantastic time to start building because when Windows12 hits, people will be looking for alternatives and despite what others might say, Windows and Mac are still the best experience for Disabled people. Hint. This should motivate you rather than explaining how I don't know about Arch Linux.

In all seriousness, if you time it right, just after the Windows12 release, you will have a gem that people will throw money at.

#linux
in reply to Robert Kingett, blind

victor tsaran
victor tsaran
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WOW, reinstall the whole OS? That's very drastic! What are you doing there? :)
in reply to Robert Kingett, blind

Okki
Okki
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GNOME attaches great importance to #accessibility, so I vote for a #Fedora with #GNOME 😺

And since disabled people really need a particularly stable and robust operating system, I will even go so far as to recommend the immutable Fedora Silverblue version.

https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/


Fedora Silverblue

An atomic variant looks, feels, and behaves just like a regular desktop operating system, but your updates are delivered as full images of a working system.
fedoraproject.org
#Accessibility #gnome #fedora
in reply to Okki

destructatron
destructatron
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Don't recommend silverblue yet, at least not until they get Gnome going in the installer. Right now you can't even press alt f2 or super alt S to get it working.
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Okki
Okki
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@destructatron
I've just tested in a virtual machine and you're right. But even with Alt F2, which you need to know, it's clearly not the right solution.

Since #Fedora is working on a new installer, they should take inspiration from the #Ubuntu one (which also recently redesigned its own), which now lets you configure accessibility right from the start.

https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-24-04-lts-desktop-installer-will-be-updated-with-accessibility-features


Ubuntu 24.04 LTS Desktop Installer Will Be Updated with Accessibility Features - 9to5Linux

The Ubuntu Desktop installer is getting new accessibility features for the upcoming Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) release.
Marius Nestor (9to5Linux)
#ubuntu #fedora @destructatron
in reply to Okki

Okki
Okki
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@destructatron
Now, until this is corrected, the question is whether it's better to install Silverblue with the help of a sighted person and then benefit from a virtually unbreakable distribution, or whether you'd rather install another distribution yourself, with the risk that it could break at any time with a bad update or a simple power cut during upgrade 🤔
@destructatron
in reply to Okki

destructatron
destructatron
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You want something that won't break? Try Nix OS. If an update screws something, you go back to a previous generation of your config and boom. I'm using that as my daily driver and I don't think I'll be hopping any time soon.
in reply to Robert Kingett, blind

the esoteric programmer
the esoteric programmer
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sure, arch might be an option, but what about fedora? for now, only the gnome version is accessible I think, at least in the installer, but gnome isn't as bad anymore
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destructatron
destructatron
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The mate version is also accessible, and I'm pretty sure the KDE iso at least has orca and I can't imagine them using a different installer for the KDE iso than they use for everything else.
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the esoteric programmer
the esoteric programmer
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I would recommend the kde iso in a second, except that a user tryed it and said it didn't have orca, or that orca didn't start. Other than that, sure. I tend to not recommend mate anymore, because it's old, and also still on x11
in reply to the esoteric programmer

destructatron
destructatron
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I also can't recommend the Gnome one either. Selecting your wi-fi network after you've installed your system is inaccessible, have fun getting around the completely inaccessible GTK4 list.
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the esoteric programmer
the esoteric programmer
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yeah, the idea is to select the gnome one, then install kde on top. Also, how did you do the chroot? from what?
in reply to the esoteric programmer

destructatron
destructatron
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Boot a Fedora iso, open a terminal, sudo setenforce 0 to selinux won't get in the way. Partition and mount as usual, and install arch-install-scripts, you need this for genfstab. Now, sudo dnf --releasever=39 --installroot /mnt group install kde
Run genfstab and arch-chroot as you would for an arch install, and set up your user, locale, etc. Locales are already generated, so use systemd-firstboot --prompt to set things like locale, timezone etc. Run bootctl install to install systemd-boot, and dnf reinstall kernel-core to configure it. Then go into your entries folder in /boot/efi/loader/entries and change the kernel command line so that it's not using the iso's cmdline and you're pretty much good to go from there.
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the esoteric programmer
the esoteric programmer
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whoe, that's...more complicated than arch itself, at least when doing archinstall. Did you actually have to do this?
in reply to the esoteric programmer

destructatron
destructatron
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To get Gnome, yes. But if I installed through the mate iso I could use the installer. Then I got Gnome, nuked mate and boom. That was when I was going through a Gnome phase, much prefer KDE nowadays. For someone who's used to doing manual arch installs, this one was actually really easy for me.
in reply to Devin Prater :blind:

destructatron
destructatron
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Yup, pretty sure it does. Although I never got braille going with Orca to the point where it was fully functional on any distro. Stupid thing kept messing up contractions, putting the wrong ones in other places, etc, no matter if I used UK english grade 2 or en_UEB G2.
in reply to Devin Prater :blind:

destructatron
destructatron
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KDe neon doesn't, Fedora's KDE spin should, as Orca gets pulled in with the KDE group. Neon is doing Ubuntu things, and Orca is only pulled in with Gnome.
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Devin Prater :blind:
Devin Prater :blind:
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@destructatron @esoteric_programmer Ohh, that makes a bit more sense. Yeah, I've not tried Fedora KDE yet. Waiting for KDE 6 on that.
@destructatron @the esoteric programmer
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the esoteric programmer
the esoteric programmer
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ahh, I thought you tryed fedora kde and it didn't have orca. Didn't you contact a fedora person regarding that, or was it me with silverblue?
in reply to the esoteric programmer

destructatron
destructatron
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I got the Orca thing seen to in Silverblue, or at least put on a list of things to do. Someone else recommended it, I told them the thing wasn't accessible and he mentioned the Fedora people and they said they'd start trying to fix it.
in reply to Robert Kingett, blind

Mira 🤞🇧🇬🇭🇺
Mira 🤞🇧🇬🇭🇺
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Wow, I only removed iMovies and one more app I think and I was okay with using Mac. It takes more to install to make terminal useable than it takes to uninstall stuff. I forgot how bad windows is, until I setup a parallels vm, twice, and wanted to scream into the void of how screwed up this is. I am now scared to re-install my laptops, they are in a need of a re-install.
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