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Q: How do you convince people to use privacy respecting technologies for communication?

I am looking for real life use-cases to include into my #FOSDEM talk and beyond.

If you have encouraged someone to switch to say Signal, or Sessions, or XMPP or some other tool/protocol, please share here or via DM.

Anonymity is guaranteed. You can use also my Sessions messenger session: 0531634331f5b6be12375bf4229412eed3f2f3543cfe119df37e1b72c883143d4a

#fedihelp #foss #privacy #decentralization #p2p

#foss #privacy #fosdem #p2p #decentralization #fedihelp
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Bart Louwers

Let society devolve in a fascist dictatorship where people randomly disappear. That will make people care for a generation or two.

Short of that, I think a lot of people don't care about privacy.

My sister switched away from Telegram to Signal, because she was getting a lot of spam. And blocking randoms from contacting you is now a 'Telegram Premium' feature.

So I guess... Enshittification helps? But it was not really a privacy centered consideration.

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Hristo Hristov

@bart In recent years, I have helped many people switch to Signal. At that time, few had heard of Signal.

Then I did the same with TeleGuard and Briar.
I have always given examples of the advantages of the platform. End-to-end encryption, and consequently, you don't have to connect your phone to a paid Alma for communication.

Session is great, but one reason is that the device you use powers your network with tokens. That's why it drains the battery.

@Bart Louwers
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Fossman

My secondary strategy involves unleashing my little minions. I wrote about it here in the context of #DeltaChat adoption: social.vivaldi.net/@opensource…

Fossman (@opensourceopenmind@vivaldi.net)

@avoca@gladtech.social @Ketakater I also got all of my family and a lot of my wider circle on it using these two strategies: 1. Getting a device that simply does not have #Whatsapp / proprietary messaging apps, i.e.
Fossman (Vivaldi Social)
#deltachat
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adb

@opensourceopenmind similarly, I got my family and friends to talk to me via #DeltaChat because I simply don't have #WhatsApp, #Telegram etc. in my phone, I never try to convince them talking about encryption or open source, I simply say "I don't use that apps, you can reach me in this one" and then it is about a practical problem and not ideological one, I don't go saying "you should uninstall whatsapp now" but they are more willing to respect/understand your own ideological decisions

@bogo

#whatsapp #telegram #deltachat @Bogomil Shopov - Бого @Fossman
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adb

#ArcaneChat is just a #DeltaChat client, my main user is... wait for it... ME! so it is basically Delta Chat with some tweaks to my taste, I shared it and it turns out some other people seem to like it, according to the #GooglePlay downloads it is mainly used in #Russia, #Cuba, #USA, #Iran, #Germany and #India

I don't actively try to convince people to use it, and in general it is better to push for DC that is multi-platform, then in #android some might prefer AC as their DC client

#android #India #googleplay #Russia #Germany #USA #deltachat #iran #cuba #arcanechat
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maymage

the children/teenagers in my family all use signal: it was easy to convince the parents: private, secure, hideable phone number (and avoid unwarranted contacts) and usable without Google/PlayStore.

The latter point being important, as many parents don't want their 11 year old kid to have a full blown phone.

I was surprised to find out, how well that worked: the children have a lot of their friends&contacts on Signal.

Sadly, as they grow older, the adults' Whatsapp network kicks in.

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Ge0rG

Also in Germany there is a new initiative, started at 39c3, di.day/ with tasty recipes to help people switch to decentralized systems!

The introduction talk was in German, but there are multiple translations available: media.ccc.de/v/39c3-die-kangur…


Die Känguru-Rebellion: Digital Independence Day

Marc-Uwe Kling liest neues vom Känguru vor. Vielleicht auch was von Elon und Jeff on Mars. Und dann ruft das Känguru zum Digital Indepen...
media.ccc.de
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Fossman

There's a 3rd strategy which is actually the main reason our family groups switched. Our main chat app was one originally created in a country whose government is accused of #apartheid and #genocide. Whenever that came up in the news, I'd drop a subtle non-pushy comment here and there mentioning that fact, and also that its present executives are located there and support their army's actions.

After one of these major events, to my surprise, someone else, the admin of our family group (non-techy, not #Linux user at that time), arbitrarily decided to delete the family group from the proprietary messenger and told everyone to join the family group on #SignalApp!

#linux #signalapp #genocide #apartheid
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Tanguy ⧓ Herrmann

it's in french, but here was my answer

hachyderm.io/@dolanor/11556533…

TL;DR : Create a group which gives value to people, and tell them you need Signal for that.

My biggest success so far.

I must have around 400 contacts on Signal. But I use it for more than 10 years.

Tanguy ⧓ Herrmann (@dolanor@hachyderm.io)

@prunelier@mastodon.social @ploum@mamot.fr Moi, ce qu'on m'a souvent dit, c'est qu'il n'y a personne sur Signal. Et ce sont des personnes qui avait plusieurs dizaines de personnes sur Signal qui disaient ça.
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Mad Argon

firstly I was not on other services, so my family downloaded Signal to have any messaging channel. But they used it only to text/call me and returning to Messenger for chatting with each other. Later I show my mother and aunt groups in Signal and after creating few group chats this somehow pulled my close family members here. If many conversations are here, the rest would follow.
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