I installed #Signal and #Conversations_im on a clean install of #GrapheneOS on my Pixel 4a and measured the battery impact. The results are shocking!
Both messengers had only one contact: my regular phone.
I used my regular phone to send messages to the Pixel 4a (which was not used for anything else over the course of the experiment).
I always sent the same message via Signal and #XMPP (mixing up which app went first). In total I sent ~32 messages in intervals of 10mins to a few hours.
This is in line with my experience with signal. I have revoked all battery optimization permissions and essentially allow my phone to insta-kill it once it goes to the background. I don’t receive messages unless I open it, but my battery last eons longer.
Do you plan to make experiments with element, too? I would expect Conversations to perform a lot better since matrix is known to be more heavy on ressources but i mention it because it feels like an obvious direct competitor
That seems quite significant. I have looked into hosting my own XMPP server in the past. I like the idea of a small non-bigtech chat platform for my inner circle. Unfortunately, the biggest challenge is to get people to switch their conversation with you over to a different app.
So I suspect Signal has a wakelock problem as they haven't tested extensively on devices without Play services? The battery drain is running at almost constant speed.
Conversations is great. There's not much to modify/customise before getting it to run on my devices.
While you're testing with GrapheneOS, maybe you could check if it keeps the connection open for longer when the phone is locked. Since a couple of months or so, I see 0 connections in the widget when unlocking my phone after a while, but then it reconnects quickly. However, the battery savings settings are the same as before and I don't know why it would disconnect otherwise.
I have searched open and closed issues for duplicates I am submitting a bug report for existing functionality that does not work as intended I have read https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/...
Mhh, Signal always keeps a connection to their server open for push messages. Maybe try Molly (Signal fork) with UnifiedPush and use Conversations as UnifiedPush provider.
I wonder if it would be any better if you used the play store version and microG. That's what I'm using on CalyxOS and while my notifications from Signal are less reliable than Conversations, battery usage isn't too bad, though it is worse. Here's my top contenders right now. I'm using the F-Droid version of Conversations.
Signal needs to keep active and send regular pings to keep the WebSocket connection open. This is not a technical requirement of WebSockets, but stems from Signal using the latest advanced cloud technology on their servers which cuts the connection if it doesn't see active payload traffic.
interessant. Ich kämpfe auf meinem #grapheneos auch seit einer Weile mit dem Akkuverbrauch von #signal. Schade, dass in #younohost seit dem Update auf #debian 12 nicht mehr automatisch ein #XMPP Server integriert ist. Das war schon ein sehr bequemer Weg für Laien wie mich, unfallfrei, unkompliziert und günstig einen solchen zu klicken und pflegen.
@masoud A big part of the reason centralized push-notifications (aka "Google Play Services") exist is for battery optimization.
You could of course just let Signal use Play Services on graphene if you like.
My experience is different (although I only have Signal, not matrix). My refurbished 7a with GrapheneOS and no Play Services at all in the owner profile lasts easily two days. (That said, it'll mostly be on WiFi while I'm at home -- so possibly the difference is that?)
I don't know why Signal eats so much battery but they probably don't run a lot of tests without GCM since that is their main platform. On a degoogled phone, you can use Molly with unified push. Molly is a fork of the official Signal client with very little changes. It works very nicely and UP is a great framework. You can even serve the Signal notifications through Conversations since it works as UP provider
I have had exactly the reversed scenario at times: Conversations draining like crazy while Signal was just fine. Sometimes the other way around. Never found an explanation. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
La Audiencia Provincial de Burgos ha absuelto a una persona acusada de tenencia de explosivos y daños mediante incendio en grado de tentativa por unos hechos que se remontarían a la #HuelgaGeneral de #29M2012
A PSA for people active on #Bluesky: your block list is PUBLIC information.
A website that tracks Bluesky stats – which I am not naming here on purpose – makes this job super easy: you can enter *any* username and see the accounts a user has blocked.
(Yes I tested it with my account and was horrified)
I'm alarmed by this because the information could be weaponized for abuse.
We began donating to @Blender 10 years ago. #B3D has improved so much since then and is now a primary tool for our small creative agency. They're asking for more support so we've increased our giving. Please take a moment to consider if you can give too: fund.blender.org/ 🧡 🧡
If you can't give, don't feel guilty. Those who can contribute for those who can't. 🤜 🤛
Celebrating our first anniversary, our next #NixOS meetup is scheduled for Wednesday, December 18 at the Mathematikon in #Heidelberg. For the first time, we are separating our Nix and Rust meetup, so be prepared for another announcement of our Rust anniversary meetup.
No matter if you use #Nix or #Lix on #Linux or #macOS, everyone is welcome to join us.
Pizza and drinks will be provided. If you plan to join us, please register for the event here:
One year after our first Nix & Rust meetup, we are meeting again in Heidelberg for our first anniversary! 🎊 Note that for the first time, this meetup is only about Nix and NixOS, the declarative package manager and Linux distribution.
As talk, we'll be hearing from @notthebee who recently tinkered on using #NixOS to power his couch gaming PC.
For our anniversary, we're reserving more time for hacking, troubleshooting and networking than before, so feel free to bring your laptops, projects and #Nix problems with you! And even for complete beginners, this may be a great opportunity to learn from more experienced Nix users.
We have little in common with the group posting this video and I suspect most of you are not religiously inclined, but this is a shockingly good homily from a priest in #Florida, who denounced Trump's pick of Mike Huckabee for Ambassador to #Israel and demanded that the killing in #Gaza must stop. In a nutshell, #Catholic teaching holds that Jesus' kingdom is within us and not in some physical realm like Israel. youtube.com/watch?v=5maZ7HumgI…
Why do you suspect that most of us are not religiously inclined? I am a practicing Catholic and I both follow and am followed by many Catholics and Protestants.
For a limited time, you can sign up with Bookshare for only $60.00. It’s worth noting that students in the United States with a qualifying print disability can receive services from Bookshare at no cost. Also, some state libraries provide complementary subscriptions to patrons. It’s certainly worth reaching out either to your local NLS affiliate or to your public library to ask if they offer this. This is applicable to residents in the United States. I have not investigated pricing on subscriptions outside of the United States. bookshare.org/sign-up
@kjw810 I will add that the free student subscription is also available for people who are participating in some adult education programs such as Hadley courses/workshops.
Storm Dragon pushed changes to the master branch of the audiogame-manager project Merge branch 'testing' latest game additions, updates, and bug fixes.
I wrote about why I confronted Rep Nancy Mace at the #ProjectLibertySummit: not to convince hateful bigots to stop hating, but to spark a conversation in the tech policy space about what our strategy is going into the next four years.
Will we cozy up to wannabe fascists in the name of "finding common ground"? Or will we build meaningful resistance to tech-enabled human rights abuses?
The goal of my protest wasn’t to convince bigots to stop spreading hate. It was to spark conversation among advocacy groups and philanthropists about how we resist tech-enabled fascism.
What happened to all the election fraud? The caravan of immigrants invading our border? People eating the dogs and cats? The children being kidnapped from schools for sex changes? Funny how all those immediate and devastating crises just suddenly end…
This affiliate link allows you to purchase various CCleaner Professional products and packages at a 60% discount. Valid until December 5. ccleaner.com/ccleaner/black-fr…
I'm curious what people in Australia think about this proposed law. I understand where the rationale is coming from, but it sounds like the same rhetoric you hear from conservative christians, etc. Not sure banning anything in this way is a good idea... Social media age ban inquiry flooded with 15,000 submissions after Elon Musk weighs in - ABC News abc.net.au/news/2024-11-25/soc…
The government is rushing to get its laws banning children under 16 from social media through parliament before the end of the week, with a senate inquiry open for submissions for just one day.
The fact that Microsoft would let someone have the root of the system drive as a Defender exclusion is pretty bad, and as it turns out, it can be used in Malware attacks, too, since there's no end-user warning of this bypass. You Can Run, But You Can’t Hide: Defender Exclusions huntress.com/blog/you-can-run-…
A Third Woman Died Under Texas’ Abortion Ban. #Doctors Are Avoiding D&Cs and Reaching for Riskier Miscarriage Treatments. —
Thirty-five-year-old Porsha Ngumezi’s case raises questions about how abortion bans are pressuring doctors to avoid standard care even in straightforward miscarriages.
Porsha Ngumezi died after not receiving a standard D&C procedure following complications from a miscarriage. More than a dozen doctors said the 35-year-old’s death was preventable.
We get it, it's easy to default to the big stores for Black Friday deals, but did you know? Independent stores like us have the same low prices. Current sales on Zoom recorders, Meater thermometers, Shokz open ear headsets, Selvas book players, and more. atguys.com/collections/deals?u…
MalWareBytes is my security solution of choice and has been for several years. I use it along with Microsoft Defender. They are offering generous discounts on their Standard, Plus and Ultimate packages. malwarebytes.com/blackfridaycy…
@jonathan859 For the most part, MalwareBytes is accessible with screen readers. One very notable exception are their combo boxes, which are silent when you tab to them and so you might be deceived in thinking that you've tabbed into a blank area. However, when you press down arrow, you will be able to access all of the items contained in that combo box, pull-down menu or whatever it's supposed to be. I'm planning on locating someone from the company on LinkedIn that I can communicate this to, rather than going through standard support channels.
I’m looking forward to presenting this. If you know a sighted person who is interested in how screen readers do what they do and how to get started with them so they can assist blind people, send them along to this one. nfb.social/@nationsblind/11354…
We just added @atguys.com on Bluesky. Please help us with a follow if you have a place there. Don't worry, we are not leaving our friends here one bit. bsky.app/profile/atguys.com
Microsoft released the Recall feature for users of Windows Insider builds. I gave the feature a try and made an audio recording with a roughly edited transcript. The short version of my experience …
“The president promised that he would attend the inauguration of whomever won the election. He and the first lady are going to honor that promise and attend the inauguration,” Andrew Bates, senior deputy press secretary at the White House, confirms t…
OK, someone please correct me, but I think this video is overproduced and is not a reproduction of the real experience with Envision glasses. youtu.be/GcwstAtgHOM?si=MSzmZr… If it is, then I should order them right now. If it is not, then I hope a11y companies don't get carried away trying to replicate their mainstream counterparts. A believable video is what I want, please!
ally is now on the envision glasses and there's no better time to experience hands-free personal AI assistance.work smarter. explore further. connect deeper....
@VE3RWJ No, I didn't. But I can't imagine the latency is that low and the voice is of such a high quality, not the way these things appear in the video. Everything else I can understand, of course, it's just your everyday AI> :)
Newswire: Tek Talk of 11/25/24 at 8pm Eastern welcomes Patrick Long (CEO) and Bryan Vuong (CTO) of Innosearch AI, an accessible shopping platform groups.io/g/tech-vi/message/82…
🧡
or #Lix 
on #Linux or #macOS, everyone is welcome to join us.
![A social post from @awkwardgoogle that says:
This is the best photo of Mount Fuji
[A photo of two elderly people ducking out of the way of a view of Mount Fuji out of a train window]](https://fedi.ml/photo/preview/640/612161 "A social post from @awkwardgoogle that says:
This is the best photo of Mount Fuji
[A photo of two elderly people ducking out of the way of a view of Mount Fuji out of a train window]")
مسعود
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •Truly shocking.
What push mechanisms are you using for Signal and for Conversations?
MattJ
Unknown parent • • •@masoud
mathieui
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •adb
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •Remus
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •I would expect Conversations to perform a lot better since matrix is known to be more heavy on ressources but i mention it because it feels like an obvious direct competitor
iamreinder
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •床井 一郎
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •So I suspect Signal has a wakelock problem as they haven't tested extensively on devices without Play services? The battery drain is running at almost constant speed.
Conversations is great. There's not much to modify/customise before getting it to run on my devices.
yetzt
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •Sandro
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •Ichthyx
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •Râu Cao ⚡
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •Moritz
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •Signal consumes half of my battery (no google services or microG) · Issue #9729 · signalapp/Signal-Android
GitHubRâu Cao ⚡
Unknown parent • • •Râu Cao ⚡
Unknown parent • • •Marek
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •n00b0ss
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •Marcus Adams
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •pixelschubsi
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •Iak
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •meejah
Unknown parent • • •@masoud A big part of the reason centralized push-notifications (aka "Google Play Services") exist is for battery optimization.
You could of course just let Signal use Play Services on graphene if you like.
My experience is different (although I only have Signal, not matrix). My refurbished 7a with GrapheneOS and no Play Services at all in the owner profile lasts easily two days. (That said, it'll mostly be on WiFi while I'm at home -- so possibly the difference is that?)
Jona Joachim
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •CryptGoat
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •@leX 🤘🏻
in reply to Daniel Gultsch • • •Similar observations here, though with Google Play Services notifications...
Switched to Molly in the UnifiedPush variant with ntfy as provider and it got way better!
No problem anymore at that front.