I guess that’s something you already thought about.
Not really a feature, but recently I discovered some new curl features. Well documented, working great and very useful but what can be done to help users discover these features.
I know a lot of people already know how great curl is, but maybe don’t know how much better it actually is.
I think that a lot of people (I was one of them) assume that because curl is ubiquitous, that it is like the basic utilities ‘ls’, ‘cd’, etc. and that they don’t get any new features.
Anyway, all of that to say I love curl and I can’t wait to see what will be next!
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Just discovered there was a Hacker News comment thread about a lean and mean desktop app written with its own cross-platform GUI toolkit, with nobody commenting on the total lack of accessibility. news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4… I had hoped that awareness of accessibility in the community had grown to the point that I didn't have to be the one to post about this everywhere. I just belatedly commented on this particular thread.
My immediate reaction to this was, to quote the fictional version of George Washington in _Hamilton_ ("Right Hand Man"), "I cannot be everywhere at once, people." To be fair, though, I don't think I've specifically asked for people to help evangelize my AccessKit project (accesskit.dev/) to the kinds of developers whom it's intended for.
So if you encounter an application whose UI is completely inaccessible with a screen reader, or even a single control/widget that's inaccessible, that could be a good fit for AccessKit (accesskit.dev/). We haven't yet reached version 1.0, so we still make breaking API changes from time to time, so it's still something for early adopters. But we do have C and Python bindings in addition to the Rust native API.
I'll also make this offer: If you're in doubt about whether AccessKit is a good fit for an application, I can take a quick look. The general rule is this: if a screen reader doesn't see any controls at all in the window, or if a given control is identified as "unknown", "custom", or the like with no other information about it, then that window or control is a good candidate for being made accessible with AccessKit.
I'm curious, have you heard of the iCue software from Corsair? Its their device management/control platform. Utterly and completely uselessly inaccessible. Does your AccessKit require integration with the source code of an application in order to function, or can it be layered on top of any inaccessible application? As in, would you need the developer's cooperation in order to use AccessKit to make it accessible, or at least try to?
@adam I just took a quick look at that Corsair application. The application itself is using the Qt toolkit with lots of unlabeled buttons. So it should be straightforward for them to label the buttons. The installer is weird. It seems to be embedding Microsoft's UWP XAML toolkit in a desktop window, but in a non-standard way that makes it only sort of accessible.
Maybe I need to teach more people to diagnose the causes of desktop app inaccessibility, for starters, to do what I just did in another post on this thread, identifying what UI toolkit(s) an application is using so they can make a proper recommendation to the developer: toot.cafe/@matt/11404665605948…
@adam I just took a quick look at that Corsair application. The application itself is using the Qt toolkit with lots of unlabeled buttons. So it should be straightforward for them to label the buttons. The installer is weird. It seems to be embedding Microsoft's UWP XAML toolkit in a desktop window, but in a non-standard way that makes it only sort of accessible.
maybe up a meta-level here? You cannot, after all, be everywhere at once; we need more advocates teaching people about these problems, so maybe teach about how to teach about accessibility? Or make resources you can point to for different communities? Like “don’t use tkinter” was a big surprise for me as someone who has been doing Python forever; kind of shocking they still haven’t fixed it
precisely! for example, this is exactly what happened yesterday, I'm not sure whether they'll reply to this at all, but it's awesome that someone tries to push this stuff and it's not just me, you and a couple other people.
@cyrus Ugh, yeah, that name is my biggest regret so far about the whole project. A bit late to change now, and I couldn't decide on a better one anyway.
Well man we're all trying to help each other out in some way or the other you know, the community is slowly pushing with you for accesskit, all be it the good chunck of us aren't programmers. In the game world we're trying to get a program called Godot to have accessibility, as well as push toolkits like IMGUI to have accessibility as a part of the todos on the list of improvements. Keep pushing on, and the community will do all it can to help!
Oh absolutely no! It's perfectly okay to feel like your work isn't counting, I am not a programmer but I am a designer, and I for sure feel that. You know how hard it is to want to make some things accessible, only to find the devs telling you that they're only going to work on it if this other project gets accessibility, so you have to do the entire walk around the mountain as they say, only to find that the popularity gaining UI toolkits have too much on the plate so accessibility keeps pushing further and further away. This is not to try to make you look invalid or anything, but for programmers at least they can work into source codes they can understand and do what they want. We designers who can't code have absolutely none of that, and our work is very much dependent on the programmers time and availability, especially since most programmers who do this work work with everyone elce over text, it's hard to really have a face to face as people to make bug testing and software accessible at a more fast speed.
I have found it much more workable though as I too also work and try to help bgt lover or also called the esoteric programmer and since we're cloce we contact over voice all the time for accessibility in apps, and I do try some times to give him help as to what a screen reader especially for Linux needs in the modern day and age. With his help we got the push to Godot accessibility started, as well as more work on KDE connect.
@GoemonIshikawa Ah, I didn't realize the two of you were behind the Godot accessibility project. It looks like they've made good progress; I took a quick look at the GitHub discussion a few months ago.
Yeah. User bruvgs is the programmer and advocate for Godot's accessibility as well, and through him we got the ball moving so to speak. With the first Stable version I will be making video and working with them in what ever way I can to make sure that not just writing code, but designing games are at the front of attention, as while it's good if blind people can code, it's even better if blind people can design a game like how much other people can.
any thoughts about how you would make an application that targets a screen reader as a first class interface rather than trying to make a visual interface accessible?
One problem will be that most developers simply don't know accessibility APIs on any platform. So if they want to use AccessKit, there needs to be clear documentation of what's a button, checkbox, menu (which a lot of people get wrong on the web, for example), and such. So at the end, it is more likely that you or other volunteers will be implementing AccessKit support and hope that the maintainers won't break it in the future.
...And the developer of File Pilot, that inaccessible app I mentioned at the start of the thread, responded to my HN comment about accessibility and AccessKit:
> Hello! I can't promise anything on this topic yet, it's on my list, but it's fairly low priority right now. The program was written in C with no dependencies, so introducing a huge dependency like that isn't an option. But I appreciate the advice!
*sigh* Can't win them all, I guess. At least they said accessibility was on their list.
I haven't had the motivation to work on AccessKit, beyond what's required by my current contract, for a little while now. Seeing that new apps and UI toolkits are still being developed without accessibility has reminded me that the world is still waiting for me to finish solving this problem I set out to solve nearly 4 years ago. Nobody else is stepping up. I would actually like it if AccessKit had competition.
Well, it's not right to say no one else is stepping up. Arnold Loubriat has done a lot of work with me on AccessKit over the years. In particular, he has done most of the work on the AT-SPI implementation (for Linux or other free Unixes) and the C and Python bindings. And now I'm reviewing his latest pull request that I've let sit for too long.
Still, it's basically the two of us. No other similar projects that I know of.
@menelion We have several basic widgets plus text editing working on Windows, macOS, and Linux. An Android backend is under development. I'm currently reviewing a PR to add more complete list box support. We have C and Python bindings.
@menelion I definitely want to use Go, so that, for instance, the Gio immediate-mode toolkit can use it. C# would be good for Unity. We did a Unity proof-of-concept a few years ago.
We're talking about writing our own code generator, or maybe more of a code generation framework, to help us build out language bindings and particularly improve the documentation for non-Rust languages.
Well, that may be ambicious. Cross-platform accessibility API work is hard for most cases. I speak from experience having dealt with the Mozilla codebase for the better part of my professional career. If I hadn't had the knowledge from my prior work at Freedom Scientific, I would have been mostly stumped. This way, I at least knew what concept translated into what output, and what was expected by the screen reader. Of course, having the NVDA and ORCA sources helped a lot, too. But still, even having one such project like accessKit is quite an accomplishment. Not many people in our industry can pull this off, IMO. So wishing for a competing project is a stretch I think. There just aren't that many people who can do this on a pure technical level, and have the time and resources to do it.
@marco If you can muster any energy to help with AccessKit at all, that would be great. We're currently trying to figure out what we're doing wrong with listviews on macOS. See github.com/AccessKit/accesskit…
Of course, it's fine if you say no. I know you chose to retire early.
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Adds support for list box controls on all supported platforms.
Known issues
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@marco You might be better qualified for a project like AccessKit than I am. Yes, I spent years working on System Access for Serotek, then Narrator and UIA at Microsoft. But that only covers Windows. On other platforms, I'm figuring things out as I go like anyone else would.
Well, for Linux, my knowledge basically stalled at the GNOME 2 level. Especially GTK 4 seems to be a whole new beast. And on MacOS, you basically have to read WebKit code to try and figure out what VoiceOver needs. But nowadays, I think the Firefox source code is also a big helpful resource to consider. The team has actually put in very good VoiceOver support into Firefox. Especially for these lists and tables, there need to be several arrays of column headers, row headers, rows, columns etc in a particular order I believe, to get this right. If you look under the Mozilla accessibility folder in the Mac and tests for Mac folders, you'll see how these APIS are tested and exercised to the death so they don't accidentally break. Before I got so sick that I had to retire, I worked on this, too, and must admit I'm very proud of the outcome for Firefox. I'd first have to somehow setup all that is needed to test that Slint app you were referring to in the issue, and since my exposure to Rust has been very limited, I expect a rather steep learning curve here. The accessibility code is all C and Objective-C, so not even SWIFT, and no Rust as far as I know. I'll try to take a look, but can't promise anything, but might bug you with questions on setting stuff up.
Well, I think in the reverse engineering, the team took bites out of mostly WebKit approaches, but also looked at Chromium and then made sure not to introduce the same Chromium bugs into Firefox. Especially on MacOS, Chromium isn't always the best example to follow when it comes to VoiceOver support.
@marco Someone should explain this to the author of the project that kicked off this entire thread, whose latest comment makes it clear that they'd prefer to reimplement accessibility completely from scratch themselves. Or, to word it differently: They have no respect for the expertise that went into AccessKit, nor for informed disabled input.
@jscholes @marco I was perhaps too deferential. In my original HN comment, I wrote, "Or if you'd rather just look at our code and implement the accessibility APIs yourself, that's cool too."
I know how much these "Handmade" project developers want to avoid bringing in third-party dependencies, especially dependencies written in anything other than C or old-school C++.
@marco I'll be honest, I wish you wouldn't blame yourself for other people's bad behaviour quite so frequently. You did not give them permission to say what they said, nor are you responsible for them taking that stance.
Fwiw, I really appreciate what you're doing here. I got reminded of this again recently because of a work-in-progress PR that's adding accessibility through accesskit to the Godot game engine, and this is not only making some developers interested in making their games accessible, but also because the godot studio itself uses Godot's uI functions there are now blind and sighted developers working on tutorials and plugins to make game creation with this engine possible. This will be the first time I'm aware of that we'll be able to use a very popular and cross-platform game engine for development, never mind all the possibilities this opens for reaching out to developers who use Godot for their games or applications. Same goes for other fields like music creation and audio plugin development, Rust is becoming more popular in that space so knowing I can point a developer at Accesskit if I come across an inaccessible audio plugin writen in Rust, or any other language really, is a gamechanger. :)
a quick glance at the guy's twitter follows shows accounts like "end wokeness", rowling, peterson... so i'm guessing accessibility isn't just a low engineering priority but a low cultural priority as well. i find that kind of context useful when considering who to spend energy on.
@jplebreton Fair point. I hadn't looked at that. Still, my position is that we can't control which app will be the next must-use app in some context, meaning that not having access to it could cost someone their job or cause a problem for their education or some other important activity.
I stopped commenting on hn, especially about accessibility. Most were dismissive, some were quite insulting. But it also never helped. So I just stopped. I should find some quotes of replies I've gotten. It's... not pretty. And it's not because I wasn't nice. I always tried to be very respectful and understanding. It didn't make a difference. Obligatory of course there were people there that were understanding and who were on my side. But it just didn't feel like I was achieving anything.
@talon Yeah, you're right about negative responses. Whenever I got negative responses, I always assumed that I somehow deserved them, either because of my tone or because those people were actually right.
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The iPhone 16e looks to have made its first trip over to Geekbench, showing off decent performance numbers. Unfortunately, it appears the new iPhone performs worse than the vanilla iPhone 16 across both CPU and GPU tests.
It's a cut down version of the iPhone 16 right? What gets me is that the cut down version is only $200 cheaper. I paid $400 AUD for my last iPhone, total, and I'm not too keen on paying any more for my next phone either.
Why is the icon for LO Math missing from the logo?
I get that it's a niche program, but it's pretty cool. When I was teaching math overseas several years ago, only LibreOffice was able to write the equations I needed for tests. You folks made it easy and it looked professional, too.
The fuck kind of logic is this? I love how if we do it it's sooooo bad, but when they do it doesn't have much legal stance what so ever, truely stupid!
wonder if it will create a slippery slope argument around it, E. usually ISPs detect piracy through torrent seeding, so by that logic, any of it that doesn't directly re-upload the content is not "real" pirating of material, something rights holders would never agree with. Ironically though, they're the ones asking to unseal the court records of ISP infringers based on who has seeded it, so it may require they up their game or tactic for detecting and flagging systems.
Amazon is warning users about the impending shutdown of its official Appstore for Android devices. Customers will lose access to the Amazon Appstore on their Android smartphones...
Signal has long said it'd "rather shut down or leave a market" than add a backdoor or weaken its encryption.
Apple also had this option when it was ordered by the UK government to build an iCloud backdoor. Apple could have said — without violating secrecy laws — why it was leaving the UK, rather than weaken the security of all of its UK customers.
Instead, Apple capitulated to the demand to keep operating, and prioritized its profits over its customers' security.
While only semi-related to your post, I just read up on the "Sentry Mode" on this thing which sent me down a rabbit hole of security nightmares. The ways in which these vehicles violate privacy, not just of the owners, but of random people just walking by them is both astounding and horrifying.
Also sentry mode drains the battery quickly and only works if the battery is over 20%, which I'm definitely not sharing for reasons related to this post. Definitely not.
I mainly bought my new Google TV Streamer device to listen to audio-only content. So imagine my disappointment when it only worked for 10 minutes. Video worked fine, as did Spotify somehow. Auto-shutdown was set to an hour, and the ambient mode app was disabled. Audio playback just stopped and turned off the receiver and TV entirely, and I exchanged enough connections to know the streamer was the initiator.
The fix, apparently, is to enable developer mode, go into the developer mode settings, check the option to keep the screen awake, then audio-only content like Antennapod works. I guess audio-only apps don't keep the screen alive which, in turn, sends CEC to kill everything else. Hoping auto-shutdown takes over when I stop streaming so this isn't too wasteful.
What an absolute crock. I shouldn't need to be an Android developer to figure this shit out.
Auto-shutdown does not indeed take over. So you can either listen to audio and have everything shut down after 10 minutes, despite there being no timer setting anywhere I've found with a 10-minute setting, or you can have something that stays on constantly. Part of me is surprised that no one seems to have done any testing with audio-only apps on a primarily video device, but only a very small part. More likely they know but don't care.
That's not the problem. The device has an auto-shutoff for any non-video content because the developers, I guess, never thought someone might play audio-only content on a TV out of a desire to not have to buy an audio-only device.
Leave ambient on, set the other option from auto shutdown, where if no input has been pressed after x amount of time it shuts off, that should work, I can check on my TV which runs the same OS.
I'd appreciate a check if you could. I'm pretty sure I set the only auto-shutoff I found to an hour and it always, without fail, shuts off after 10 minutes. I guess it's possible I missed something somewhere but I only found the one option.
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Have a very early look at Keypad, one of the many games you'll find in Brain Station. In this game, I have to enter words using a telephone keypad. To add complexity, the keypad uses q, W, E as 1, 2, and 3. A, S, and D as 4, 5, and 6, and so on. There is no bottom row, with star 0 and pound because who needs that. Some features are still missing, but not bad for 90 minutes of work.
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I think it would be cool to be able to see some of the most popular hashtags of the last 24 hours. It could fit nicely at the top of the "public" panel.
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Could anyone who has any Canadian followers please boost or just re-post it yourself? This matters.
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Even if this would not be allowed for end users, documentation on how to change the default hardcoded repository to our own before recompiling accrescent and how to generate the metadata for a selfhosted repo would be important imho
@eskuero We appreciate you mentioning this. Unfortunately, we don't currently have the capacity to develop and maintain official documentation for how to run Accrescent independently. It would also be very difficult for a third party to keep up with running Accrescent right now since the backend is constantly changing and often requires manual intervention to update which requires special knowledge of how Accrescent works.
We may consider supporting documentation once Accrescent is more stable.
Why can't certificates and keys be hashed and included in the third-party URL? Why can't Accrescent have a feature to restrict third-party repo app installs via a corporate management thingy? After all, you'd probably want to allow orgs to restrict the installation of certain app that are in the main Accrescent repo, right? Or am I misunderstanding how corporate security features work? @eskuero
@light @eskuero It would be complex to allow adding pinned certificates since that wouldn't be using the standard Android network security configuration. But the TLS certificate pinning concern is currently obsolete since Accrescent doesn't have TLS certificate pinning since version 0.19.0.
Accrescent could have a management feature like that. However, that doesn't resolve some of the other issues with third-party repositories not listed on the website. For example, unattended updates aren't guaranteed if the store doesn't enforce a sufficiently high minimum target SDK. It's also not Accrescent's goal to be a generic app installer for any source, but instead an independent app store.
That section of the website is outdated and should be updated to reflect the above.
Apple withdrawing ADP from its UK iCloud service was inevitable, and is a serious wake up call for the UK government.
While the UK government may have had good intentions, trying to undermine E2EE has backfired catastrophically.
No way Apple would capitulate and sabotage the privacy of its service globally.
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Not really a feature, but recently I discovered some new curl features. Well documented, working great and very useful but what can be done to help users discover these features.
I know a lot of people already know how great curl is, but maybe don’t know how much better it actually is.
I think that a lot of people (I was one of them) assume that because curl is ubiquitous, that it is like the basic utilities ‘ls’, ‘cd’, etc. and that they don’t get any new features.
Anyway, all of that to say I love curl and I can’t wait to see what will be next!
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