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Contact with Europeans in the 19th century first provided the Yapese at Palau with iron tools, that made the cutting and shaping of the stones much easier. Not much later, the Yapese made deals with Europeans to use their ships to transport the stones back to Yap. These arrangements enabled the manufacture of much larger and heavier rai stones, up to 4 meters in diameter, as well of a larger number of them. However, these "modern" stones were less valuable than more ancient ones.
Anyone know anything about these Mokerlink switches? I'm seeing products I can't find from other vendors. Nobody's really making small 8-10 port 10gbit gear
4 x 2.5G Ethernet Ports, compliant IEEE802.3bz (2.5G) standard, support 10/100/1000M/2.5G adaptive. 2 x 10G SFP Port(compatible 1G/2.5G Module, not include SFP Module). 45Gbps backplane bandwidth, Port 1-4 support IEEE 802.
So, if I write you a document before a meeting, you use AI to summarize that document, and then during that meeting you rely incorrect or partial information, not only you wasted everybody's time, but you also made it clear that you don't think I'm capable of relying information synthetically, moreover you're clearly stating that you're not intelligent enough to read a simple document.
Using AI makes you "look" fast and productive, but in reality it paints you as cheap and lazy
I appreciate more a "sorry, I didn't have time to read this" than whatever partially regurgitated slop people use these days to expedite their brain rot
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I asked Indonesians where people overseas could monetarily help with the riots, and it seems like solidarity with prisoners is the way to go given the number of arrests that are happening there.
You can donate to Serikat Tahanan/Prisoners Union, an Indonesian anarchist prisoner's collective through "Donasi" button on this website:
Questioning whether or not I've overreacted as the post *is* in the Introductions subforum, I read every single introductory post on the Ubuntu Discourse made in 2025. Every one was focused on the person's technical and professional backgrounds and what skills they want to learn or tech topics they're interested in.
One guy mentioned off-hand about being busy moving around the country with his wife and kids. Another guy is 75 and mentioned in a reply to someone inquiring about his early career that women did the punch cards and men did the programming when he started. Those were the only two other semi-questionable comments if you want to really be pedantic.
Not a single mention of personal life details like this in any other post.
Read the room.
(also revealing your name and birth date like that is a bit of an opsec issue this guy should be coached on... honestly where is the mod at on this, they should really be censoring that in his post)
hey, do you folks have recommendations for an USB fingerprint reader that works reliably with Fedora (or ideas how I could get mine to work)?
Mine (a "Benss" branded Elan 04f3:0c3d) is supposed to work, but I can't get it to verify prints - Apparently fprintd really doesn't handle "tap to scan" readers well, like the one I've got.
I've tried tapping, swiping, in every direction, I'm running out of ideas
This is local Amsterdam news (in Dutch) about the library putting on a display of books banned from American schools and libraries, in little stars-and-stripes coffins. They say it’s because whatever nonsense America gets up to, the Dutch need to be ready to guard against it being pushed here a few years later. at5.nl/nieuws/234309/wat-je-in…
in anticipation of another bike trip, i've constructed porteur bag #2, refined and refreshed.
- first bag i've made with a liner! (robic nylon) - structured like a big tote bag but with a zipper and a square footprint - two wire gate clips to make attachment / straps experiments easier - same ecopak material as my frame bag - cordura on the bottom for durability
overall: an improvement, attachment to the rack is simpler and faster. could be slightly taller, and maybe all ecopak
Oh, this is great! Thanks for all the links in your post about the previous bag; this is going to be useful for me as I seem to build one bag every few years.
“Unlike a typical mesh, which stores per-vertex 3D positions, a mescher stores per-vertex 2D screen-space positions and a per-edge depth difference. Whereas differences in depth across edges must sum up to zero as we travel around a standard mesh, this is not necessarily the case for a mescher. It is a mathematical way of describing the perceptual impossibility.” anadodik.github.io/publication…
Thank you to everyone who attended the World Blindness Summit & WBU General Assembly last week in São Paulo, Brazil. It was an honour for NV Access to attend, and to have NV Access General Manager, James Boreham and NV Access director Emma Bennison present. It was an informative and uplifting week and a chance to meet many new people and hear people's hopes for the future!
For anyone who thinks Wayland compositors are being overly restrictive by not allowing applications to set absolute positions for their windows, as I did, there are good reasons for this restriction. canonical-mir.readthedocs-host…
Preamble: Design is all about balance, and the design of graphical user interfaces has a lot of interests to be balanced. In the context of Wayland, the principle interested parties are the designe...
Yes, this is a problem for some applications. But such applications can still run under Xwayland, and that will likely remain the case for a long time. So I think the Wayland community's approach of carefully, deliberately addressing specific use cases through protocol extensions is correct, though it's annoying to application developers in the short term.
You mean annoying forever, because "just use Xwayland" is not actually a solution if we want all apps on Wayland. The linked article is extremely opinionated, e.g. the "shell components" argument is void since that one can be solved by giving clients sufficient hints. All examples are also from single-window apps. 1/x
Also note that this restriction applies mostly to arbitrary applications. The end-user can still configure their compositor to do absolute positioning of windows as they see fit. And privileged (shell) components have their dedicated protocol to do their own thing.
I myself am immediately suspicious of anyone who has an issue with this. It's just a lot of application developers who for whatever reason think they know better than the desktop where windows should be positioned, which is so weird. Like, stay in your lane? Just leave window management to the desktop?
No, i am being blunt and firm with my requirements. We can pivot to unprofessional if that's what you wankpuffins want
(edit: some more detail. this concerns them insisting i follow a policy that does not fit with my health needs as a disabled person, which i'm not going along with)
In July 2024, Apple supply chain analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said he expected Samsung to begin shipping 48-megapixel Ultra Wide camera sensors to Apple for...
Bug Hunter (1990) is one of those rare puzzle platformers written exclusively for the Acorn 32-bit machines.
Whenever I stumble on an Archimedes title, I perk up. These machines—descendants of Acorn’s BBC line—were the first computers powered by ARM CPUs. Think about that: ARM, the chipset now running your phone, your tablet, your Nintendo Switch, even your M-series Mac.
Back in 1990, ARM wasn’t about pocket gadgets. It was pitched as the next big leap in desktop computing. Only problem was the Acorn Archimedes barely left the UK, and outside of classrooms, almost nobody touched one.
That’s a shame, because games like Bug Hunter show what these machines could do. The hero is Hysteron Proteron—a bioengineered soldier gone wrong. A lab mix-up left him a spineless bug-eyed creature who can’t actually fight. So the army threw him on pest control duty.
His gimmick: suckered feet that let him scuttle along floors, ceilings, and walls, and the ability to pick up objects and drop them on unsuspecting insects. Kill them all, move to the next room, repeat. Simple, but clever.
Graphically, it’s impressive for 1990. Crisp sprites, fluid enough movement, and backgrounds that look every bit as solid as what you’d see on the Amiga or Genesis. The SNES wasn’t even out yet, and here’s Acorn pushing visuals in that league.
Sound, though, is the usual British compromise: no music, just effects. Still, compared to the PC speaker squawks of DOS games, those crunchy bug-splat noises were fine.
What makes Bug Hunter stand out isn’t just the gameplay—it’s the personality. One room even has a parody movie poster on the wall: Schwarzenegger in Decorator, with the tagline “They picked the wrong man…” It’s little details like that which make it feel less like a generic extermination game and more like someone’s sly passion project. Which it was.
Ian Richardson, a solo dev at the time, built this thing himself. He’d later go on to Gremlin and Ocean before becoming a respected figure in UK game development. He passed away in 2021, but Bug Hunter remains a testament to his early craft.
The sequel, Bug Hunter in Space, came out the same year, expanding the concept to alien ships and teleports. And Bug Hunter & Moon Dash was even sold together on a single disk, though everyone agrees Moon Dash was the weaker half. Bug Hunter’s the one people remember—the one schoolkids used to sneak onto Archimedes machines in British classrooms.
So if you ever find an Acorn 32-bit, don’t pass this up. Bug Hunter is charming, tough, and a reminder that the ARM revolution didn’t start with iPhones. It started with a bug-eyed mutant wandering the walls on a forgotten British computer.
If you've ever dry cleaned your clothes (you have, right?), you've likely wondered how the "dry" part happens. And it may even have crossed your mind that it's a chemical process. Of course you'd be right.
Question for fellow #NVDA users: why has the Office Desk addon been discontinued? I saw the message from the addon itself and read the homepage. It says it has been discontinued and that I should uninstall it, but it doesn't give a reason for it. I'd understand if it said something like, "The features in this addon have been merged into the core," or something like that, but it doesn't. #Accessibility #Blind #ScreenReader
"As of Sept 1, Joseph Lee (me) no longer maintains the add-on (Office Desk add-on is end of life). This add-on hasn’t been updated in some time, and as part of winding down NVDA work, I’m letting this add-on go. Therefore, when installing Office Desk 25.09, an “end of life” dialog will be presented, advising you to uninstall the add-on. I asked the add-ons community to maintain this add-on should they wish to do so"
@NVAccess Hi there, do you think we'll get Google TTS for NVDA any time soon? I read somewhere that software is not open-source though, but I just want confirmation.
I don't have any specific info, but I expect the issues which would need to be overcome would include licensing, and also if the voices require internet access to work, responsiveness. It is one thing to throw a page of text at a synthesizer, have it take a couple of seconds to process that online and return it and then read it out - but if it did that every time you press right arrow to move by one character, that would be quite frustrating for users
Gonna go make an introductory post on the Ubuntu forums and state that I'm heterosexual and into latex and leather play just to make sure they're consistently enforcing their community standards
For anyone interested in that AudioScreen add-on we just shared, the link posted by the vOICe was not the right one to download it, you need to follow that one through another post to it, or go direct to: github.com/nvaccess/audioScree…
This is a great example of an add-on where the original author didn't have capacity to continue developing it, and has passed it on to someone else. This is a healthy part of our ecosystem and one which should be encouraged.
An NVDA add-on that allows you to "feel" images with your ears, while moving your finger around a touch screen on Windows 8 and above. - nvaccess/audioScreen
@vick21 @alexhall It was initially developed by NVDA creator Mick Curran. Although not added to core. Unfortuately, he doesn't have the time to update it these days, so it's great the community are able to help.
Unless you were thinking of the mouse option "Play Audio Co-ordinates when mouse moves"? (That was introduced in NVDA 0.6p2 though so it's been around for quite awhile!)
@GamingWithEars @vick21 @alexhall You can explore an image on a touch screen and get audible feedback (pitch) of it. On the GitHub page - github.com/nvaccess/audioScree… - there is a link to an audio demonstration by Mick Curran "where he demonstrates the various modes, and uses it to explore a map of Australia, a rainbow, the earth from space, a cartoon house, and a sun set."
An NVDA add-on that allows you to "feel" images with your ears, while moving your finger around a touch screen on Windows 8 and above. - nvaccess/audioScreen
Can NVDARemote have a way to share audio from the target computer and vice-versa? Maybe just make it a low bitrate audio stream LOL would be nice without connecting to a TT server or Zoom and all those extra steps.
@kev I'm not sure what technical challenges or obstacles might be, but it's definitely worth an issue: github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issue… (If there isn't one already, I didn't check)
I used to think "there can't possibly be that many people who think it's appropriate for e.g., a teacher to discuss their sexuality with children" but after the flurry of responses in that post it's like "holy shit, these people really exist"
Yes, there's a substantial alt-right contingent among the X11 holdouts. But there are still valid, non-political reasons to need X11, or at least Xwayland. Some desktop applications legitimately need to position themselves at absolute coordinates on the user's display(s). The one I happen to know about is this one: github.com/glyph/pomodouroboro… I think that the Wayland devs refusing to allow this is itself a kind of authoritarianism, though largely aligned with the wants of (some) users.
The current Linux desktop port #11 uses X11 legacy protocol hacks and the GTK4 X11 GDK backend to produce a HUD display. This works well enough for now; and, in fact, it is the only realistically p...
@matt we should absolutely not under any circumstances be throwing around words like “authoritarian” because you feel your pomodoro timer needs to be able to position itself with specific coordinates. You invalidate any possible credibility you might have by using this kind of language. It’s honestly kind of offensive. You can advocate for a feature you would like without this kind of ridiculous hyperbole
In light of TheEvilSkeleton's post that you boosted, I more deeply regret what I said. I don't even use that program I posted about; I'm just a fan of the author, and I shared his evident frustration that Wayland isn't allowing something that all desktop GUI platforms have allowed forever. But I went too far in what I said, and won't say anything like that again. I'm grateful for all of the work that everyone has given away on free desktop projects.
To be fair to @burnoutqueen, full support for Orca keyboard commands in some Wayland compositors is a recent development; I only released the prototype ~15 months ago, and if I'm not mistaken, the production implementation was only released in GNOME this March.
@burnoutqueen Thankfully, support for the KeyboardMonitor D-Bus interface, that enables screen reader keyboard commands to work correctly across all apps on Wayland, landed in Mutter, libatspi, Orca, and even KWin in time for Debian trixie. I'm not aware of any other recent fixes or critical features that arrived more recently. So Wayland should be pretty usable already on the latest stable Debian.
> What do anti-vaxxers, flat earthers, 9/11 truthers, and anti-Wayland activism all have in common? All of them are characterized by a blithe rejection of facts to embrace a narrative of victimization by a vague authority. In the case of Wayland, the “vague authority” are a bunch of volunteers who have devoted tens of thousands of hours of their free time towards making free shit for you. “Wayland sucks!” is a conspiracy theory with no basis in truth, and its supporters have spent years harassing Wayland maintainers, contributors, and users. And it’s time for it to fucking stop.
@TheEvilSkeleton legit - don't understand why this is an alt-right thing. But this new fork seems to draw them. I don't get what the cause celebre here.
But whatever, I'm not going to use their fork and nobody else is either. They can take their feature requests and apps and continue there.
I'm beseeching those of you who use Mona on your iPhones. is there any possible way to create a tab in Mona that just holds my mentions, kind of like a mentions buffer in Tweesecake? If so, can you please explain to me how to do this? Any help would be greatly appreciated. boosts would be welcome to promote wider reach. ✨✨✨
@jaybird110127 You can filter the notifications tab to show only replies, when you switch to it look a bit above the tab bar and you should see 2 buttons, all and replies. Tap on the second one and all the other things will disappear. I'm not sure if you can then duplicate it to have a dedicated mentions tab on the bottom.
Has anyone tried Mattermost? It's a slack-like application, but open-source, and can be hosted. If you have, I will not mind if you share any tips, comments on its accessibility. Looking for another messenger, that is self-hosted, because XMPP multi device encryptions keep breaking, and sometimes, nothing syncs properly. Thanks!
If you use Claude Coe, you may be interested in the project I have been contributing the #accessibility features to. It's called Opcode. It's basically a GUI version of the Claude Code CLI. Check out my branch at github.com/vick08/opcode. There is an outstanding PR against the main repo, but I am not sure when the author decides to incorporate my changes. There are other 40 PRs in the queue! :) Enjoy!
A powerful GUI app and Toolkit for Claude Code - Create custom agents, manage interactive Claude Code sessions, run secure background agents, and more. - vick08/opcode
Yes. I have a dilemma now though: I use both native Win and WSL, and the latter more often than the former (for web development). But a GUI in WSL… probably a bad idea.
@menelion So, we are working on making Gemini-cli more accessible. It's not going to be perfect, but much better TUI than many tools have today, including Claude Code. The first batch of changes is already in if the app is run with the "--screen-reader" flag.
Seems fine except for maybe a bit of bad grammar around the "I am also a furry" part right? Well turns out behind the scenes the post was edited to not say "I am queer" before mentioning being a furry, and they got in a lotta trouble with the mods. This led to them no longer feeling welcome on the Ubuntu discourse forums.
The reason given was that the word Queer is a sexual word, which is just patently untrue. Saying you're queer gives less info into your sex life than mentioning your wife/husband, and if that was banned it'd be fucking stupid. Of course by the responses of the mods, it is made clear that that's not the real reason, and instead they're making the decision because of politics.
In the next few posts I'll talk about these extremely problematic moderator responses. 1/5
Uphidate 1: bark.lgbt/@gimmechocolate/1151… Also fixed the wayback link for the update. Damn I gotta get better at using that site lmao.
Edit 1: made it more clear why I see canonical as having taken a far right stance on the issue, on top of the obvious argument that the stance of their moderators represents the stance of the company/project.
Greetings My name is Lukas, I am from Germany, now 26 years old. ( Birthday: 24.10.1998 ) My first contact with Linux was with Ubuntu 6.04. I was 8 back then and used it until I was 12 or 13. switching to Kubuntu.
Update: this was posted on reddit and was locked by a moderator of the subreddit who also claims to be a member of the community council, for unspecified inaccuracies. I would love to know what parts of the post I got wrong so I could fix them but as of writing this it doesn't seem like they've reached out to me about it.
They also claim that the post wasn't edited because of self-identifying as queer at all, as the three different reasons from the first three different people all stated, but instead was for a secret fourth reason to be revealed shortly.
I am looking forward to hearing their full statement and hope they have been having lotsa productive discussions about how to best make the ubuntu community an inclusive and welcoming space for it's queer members!!!!
I will do my best to keep this post updated with more information, make sure to boost the top post so you get notified when I do!!!!
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how is that appropriate to even post on a bio in the first place? Are you trying to connect with kinksters or contribute to an open source project?
> Saying you're queer gives less info into your sex life than mentioning your wife/husband
It definitely signals that you're not heterosexual. And the mention of being a furry now means we all have to imagine this person dressing up in an animal costume for sexual gratification.
> Birthday: 24.10.1998
Do GenZ think this is appropriate for some reason? Are they putting their sexual preferences on their CVs/resumés too? I don't get it.
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To quote Wikipedia, with sources:
"Queer is an umbrella term for people who are non-heterosexual or non-cisgender.[1][2] Originally meaning 'strange' or 'peculiar', queer came to be used pejoratively against LGBTQ people in the late 19th century. From the late 1980s, queer activists began to reclaim the word as a neutral or positive self-description.[3][4][5]"
Also the GenZ comment is so out of left field, what does someone's fucking birthday have to do with this beyond, at best, growing up in a possibly more accepting of identity social climate.
Most people are familiar with the term LGBT—lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender. The acronym increasingly includes the letter Q, LGBTQ, referring to queer and/or questioning individuals.
Really dancing so deftly around outright saying you consider home-sexuality to be aberrant or out of the norm, bravo.
instead of the truth which is that it is an apolitical, natural part of life and has been for thousands of years that we know of and likely much longer.
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> it is an apolitical, natural part of life and has been for thousands of years that we know of and likely much longer.
I vehemently agree! But it is a massive overcorrection to demand that it be considered socially acceptable to discuss this topic in all social forums at all times.
re: Ubuntu mod team takes anti-queer "Don't say gay" stance.
I've had two gay coworkers come out (OUTSIDE OF WORK) to me because I was the only one they were comfortable with and I was the first they introduced me to their partners. Still lifelong friends with these people, in their weddings, etc etc.
You're making silly assumptions knowing nothing about me. Chill out.
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@feld okay I guess I was correct on "pathetically misguided" then. Do you wanna go find your gay coworkers and list all the situations they should never mention they're gay in?
Lemme know how that goes I'm sure it'll be a treat.
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The worst of the posts is as follows: "Sorry to intervene, another volunteer moderator here. Point 7 of the general posting guidelines says:
'Politics: This topic has caused serious problems in the past and as such is subject to tight control. Discussion of the politics of open source it permissible in the lounge. No other political posting is permitted in any form in any other area of the forum. (this includes the use of avatars, flags, and other potentially-divisive graphics.) Please find another venue for political discussions'
So in my opinion, if your intention was to show political support for diversity, you should avoid using this flag. This will allow us to refuse the use of a flag for instance saying 'non-queer', If we allow your flag, then we have to admit also other similar political flags, both supporting and opposing diversity. "
This reply is just fucking dishonest. First off, if you allow people to post the lgbt flag you don't have to also allow people to post Nazi flags or whatever. Like, being queer isn't an ideology. It should be totally fine to say you're queer or straight or whatever, that doesn't mean you also have to let people be Nazis or say hateful things about each other, like wtf? You can literally just say that some flags aren't allowed and some are. (also idk what's with all this talk about flags, they weren't even the thing that got edited). It is totally reasonable to say that everyone should be allowed to express their identity, whether straight or queer, white or black, man or woman, etc; this doesn’t fucking somehow magically create a loophole for people to start hating on other identities. 2/5
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Second, the whole idea of things being apolitical is just a vague excuse to discriminate. A few years ago Florida passed a law nicknamed "Don't say gay" which banned teachers from mentioning their sexuality or gender identity to students at all; so if banning queer people from mentioning their identity in your forums is apolitical, then why the fuck is it a more extreme political position than that taken by a far-right politician who literally posted Nazi propaganda on twitter? This fucker is just trying to hide his political extremist views behind a guise of fairness.
This response sure makes it seem like the values of Canonical and Ubuntu are closer to far-right extremism than all the positivity and inclusivity they claim in their policies. 3/5
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The next response isn't quite as bad because at least it's fucking honest.
"OK - here goes one other way to look at this as an issue. Say for the sake of argument I am Christian, As a Christian I follow a set of ethics defined in what we call the Bible, Now in this set of ethics is God's declaration that 'queer' is an abomination. As it is abhorrent then it too is something to avoid, And YES discussion of relition too is not permitted - it is in the same vein as a pronouncement of queer"
Naturally you might think that saying you're queer might equate to saying you're Christian, or saying you're Jewish, which should both be fine; but apparently they equate it to saying you're Christian, and also that you think queer people (other members of the community) are abominations.
If you look past the fact that they talk like Ben Shapiro and ChatGPT had a baby that didn't know how capitalization worked, there is at least a little bit of sense here though. Saying you're queer and saying you're bigoted are the same in that they will both piss people off. If they actually cared about a fair, friendly, and welcoming community, they'd notice that they are also very different in that one is a statement of identity, and the other is a statement of hate towards other members of the community. Another difference is that bigots want queers to not be able to say they're queer, and queers want to not have to hide their identity, so banning both in this silly hypothetical is still giving the bigots what they want and siding against queers. All in all, I can give the benefit of the doubt here and assume they're simply too much of a coward to fight back against bigots in and out of the mod team, so instead they are taking the path of least resistance and telling everyone to be quiet so they don't have to deal with it, while ignoring the inequity of that. 4/5
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All in all Canonical and Ubuntu, through their inaction, and by electing a mod team that made this decision with seemingly no dissent, have taken the far right position that people shouldn’t even be allowed to mention their queerness, which gives the extremists what they want, and them not being able to be explicit about their hate (and the mods here are already very implicitly bigoted), is a small loss when they already get their way by forcing us queers into the closet in any of their spaces. On top of that, even though it’s been a couple days so far, the leadership hasn’t done anything and saying queer is seemingly still banned on their forums.
This is absolutely unacceptable, and I recommend anyone who is queer, has queer friends, or just generally cares about people being allowed to live their lives, to not use Ubuntu, spread the word, and not contribute to their community; until they put solid policy in place to make it clear that everyone is welcome and allowed to be themselves in their community.
And remember, the more people boost this, the more likely Canonical is to feel pressured to change their policies and take action to help queer people feel included in their community. Queer Ubuntu users deserve to be able to openly be a part of the community and be treated with the same respect as anyone else.
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Update: this was posted on reddit and was locked by a moderator of the subreddit who also claims to be a member of the community council, for unspecified inaccuracies. I would love to know what parts of the post I got wrong so I could fix them but as of writing this it doesn't seem like they've reached out to me about it.
They also claim that the post wasn't edited because of self-identifying as queer at all, as the three different reasons from the first three different people all stated, but instead was for a secret fourth reason to be revealed shortly.
I am looking forward to hearing their full statement and hope they have been having lotsa productive discussions about how to best make the ubuntu community an inclusive and welcoming space for it's queer members!!!!
I will do my best to keep this post updated with more information, make sure to boost the top post so you get notified when I do!!!!
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Update 2: Unofficial response from queer ubuntu member, diversity statement, post is reverted, but...
The first response is a queer Ubuntu member saying that it was a mistake and shouldn't've happened. As I've argued in my previous posts, I think that the moderator responses are acting on their underlying values as opposed to it being a simple mistake. If those values conflict with the values of Ubuntu, then that is a problem that is a bit more difficult to solve than with a talking to.
If I were in the position of the moderators I'd be either reflecting on my values; or stepping down, and maybe looking to moderate a space that more closely aligns with my values such as Hyprland. As a moderator myself I've been on the verge of stepping down for much much less.
Overall though I do think they are taking the right attitude.
Another response has told me that apparently there is a diversity policy. I was gonna make a whole stink about how it's hard to find, and how it's arguably a suggestion as opposed to the actual CoC (which it's not included in). Then I actually read it and it includes "Political beliefs" as a protected class. This means that the positions of the moderators are actually totally in line with the diversity policy. Putting queer people and people who want queer people gone into the same category IS a component of far-right ideology, as I covered in post 2. Not having discrimination based on political beliefs necessitates having discrimination based on other protected classes.
Lastly the post got reverted. This is largely symbolic, as I doubt lukas will actually want to participate in the community after all that. I woulda been a lot happier about writing this down if I didn't just read their diversity statement that implies the moderators' actions were, in fact, in line with the values of of Canonical and Ubuntu.
All in all this a very good change. I don't think I could've written better rules myself. I've said that I don't think marginalized groups and bigots can coexist when treated as two equal sides. I do, however, think that we can coexist in a world where they work along side us, as long as they are told to shut the fuck up when they start being harmful, divisive, and/or assholes. Studies show that this dynamic when we all interact, just as normal people, without someone being yelled at for being themselves, is the best way to make a more tolerant world. I feel that these rules perfectly accomplish that.
Of course that all assumes they are enforced fairly, and by people who aren't biased against the vales those rules represent, which brings me to the response itself: web.archive.org/web/2025090815…
If you give the benefit of the doubt, it casts a new light on why the initial action was taken: due to generational gap, the mod saw it as a sexualized slur. Unfortunately that was a very small part of the criticisms; and the fact that two other mods chimed in, with responses that I've argued were both clearly not a mistake, and extremely ideologically charged; means that this response wasn't as perfect as the rule changes.
I don't think that necessarily makes it bad mind you, but it does mean that the team will have it's work cut out for them making sure the people enforcing their rules aren't biased against said rules. Lets all remember what happened with Hyprland after the drama: they added rules about discrimination, but the leader of the project still agreed that it's ok to ban people for having pronouns in username.
Even a really good set of rules are still no better than the people enforcing them.
Ubuntu mod team takes anti-queer "Don't say gay" stance.
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True conclusion: All in all I think at this point, I think the community finally has good rules in place to protect marginalized people, but I also think it's important to test the waters still.
Just because the rules are there, doesn't mean that they will be enforced fairly. I do still have my doubts that the mods I called out in posts 2-4, will be able to enforce the rules fairly, and keep their personal biases out of their decisions as moderators of the community, especially since they managed to turn what could've been a simple misunderstanding, into a massive political shitshow. If I were them, I'd be resigning right now, and if I were their peers, I'd be super pissed off, and kindly suggesting they resign right now.
(to be clear this is only the two who responded, and that I called out, specifically NOT wild_man who initially did the action. I think it'd be good to take the council's word that at least this was a genuine misunderstanding. I do genuinely believe them here myself.)
Now that this seems to be wrapping up, lets all remember that the actions we take should focus on making the world a better place. I think everyone involved can still be a productive member of the community, even if they shouldn't be the ones enforcing the rules. I also think it should be important to treat each other with kindness by default, it's rare that unkindness makes the world better.
I hope the community council continues down this path, and makes sure the rules are actually enforced as intended. I also recognize that while a few days is an eternity in internet time, it's just a short moment in bureaucracy time, so I appreciate the council coming together on such short notice to make an overall good decision. If they don't, I will do my best to add one last update.
I thank everyone for their time, and remember: everyone should have freedom, and the right to be themselves. I hope you all have a great day!!!
![Screenshot of a page with a post, and the same post with an edit made. The page is titled "History". The username is wild_man
In original post, the words "I am queer" have been highlighted. In the edited post, those words have been removed.
The original post says:
Lukas here, Hello to all!
Greetings
My name is Lukas,
I am from Germany, now 26 years old. (Birthday: 24.10.1998)
My first contact with Linux was with Ubuntu 6.04.
...
[some text removed to meet the max character count]
...
Haven't used Ubuntu for a long time.
(have to get used too snaps, they got way better in recent times)
Bio
I have a lot of time and a lot of knowledge, nothing to do with it, cant get a job these days...
So l want to help here <3
I am queer, I am technically a furry too. [wolf emoji, trans flag emoji]
I am on [Matrix] since Element was called "Vector" around 2016. Remade my homeserver again.
I have self-hosting knowledge from simple docker compose to docker with traefik, I don't understand how to kubernetes quite well, but I know what it is used for.
(just have only one V-Server so I cant use it in production i think? )
What i want to do:
Endof10 is ahead of us and the event to upgrade the win 10 PCs on the 20th this September Will be important!
Want to contribute as much as possible to Desktop Ubuntu that new users can work with it without even with strange edge cases.](https://fedi.ml/photo/preview/640/702237 "Screenshot of a page with a post, and the same post with an edit made. The page is titled \"History\". The username is wild_man
In original post, the words \"I am queer\" have been highlighted. In the edited post, those words have been removed.
The original post says:
Lukas here, Hello to all!
Greetings
My name is Lukas,
I am from Germany, now 26 years old. (Birthday: 24.10.1998)
My first contact with Linux was with Ubuntu 6.04.
...
[some text removed to meet the max character count]
...
Haven't used Ubuntu for a long time.
(have to get used too snaps, they got way better in recent times)
Bio
I have a lot of time and a lot of knowledge, nothing to do with it, cant get a job these days...
So l want to help here <3
I am queer, I am technically a furry too. [wolf emoji, trans flag emoji]
I am on [Matrix] since Element was called \"Vector\" around 2016. Remade my homeserver again.
I have self-hosting knowledge from simple docker compose to docker with traefik, I don't understand how to kubernetes quite well, but I know what it is used for.
(just have only one V-Server so I cant use it in production i think? )
What i want to do:
Endof10 is ahead of us and the event to upgrade the win 10 PCs on the 20th this September Will be important!
Want to contribute as much as possible to Desktop Ubuntu that new users can work with it without even with strange edge cases.")
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