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Experimented yesterday with Fedora’s KDE spin… I was shocked by the level of accessibility, although it wasn’t perfect. My primary issues with it were that I had to use a lot of Orca’s navigation commands to read panels in the systems settings app, and I had major issues with Konsole, the default terminal app. I wasn’t able to read any of the information in that particular apps interface using Orca. I also tried the Fedora workstation edition, which uses Gnome as it’s a desktop environment. Let’s just say that was not worth my time. Had accessibility issues there as well, and surprisingly it was worse than the experience I had with KDE. I know KDE defaults to Wayland, as does Gnome, but KDE’s accessibility implementation seems to be a lot better than what Gnome has under Wayland, with the exceptions I’ve previously mentioned. Incidentally, the X 11 experience with Gnome is actually worse now than it was previously. For example, the terminal app does not even open for me. I should also note that all this is under Fedora 41, so people aren’t confused. #A11Y #Accessibility #Blind #Experiments #Linux #Fedora41 #KDePlasma #Gnome #Wayland #X11
#a11y #Accessibility #linux #blind #gnome #experiments #Wayland #x11 #kdeplasma #fedora41

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@tyrylu @JRepin the best example that I can think of off the top of my head is when using the terminal app while Orca is running, you cannot stop speech by hitting the control key. As a matter of fact, all the typical Orca keyboard commands seem to have issues. Another example that comes to mind is specific to Tuba, but also seems to affect other GTK4 apps like Dino… when attempting to read text while Orca is running, it doesn’t always read everything out fully. For example, when attempting to read posts in Tuba, I can see who sent the post, the time of the post, but not the actual text of the post. Also, I can’t always just arrow down to move onto the next post as Orca won’t read through a list like that reliably.
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Lukáš Tyrychtr

Arrowing should definitely work. The Tuba and other GTK 4 app issues regarding Orca not reading everything or in weird ways, yes, that is the aftermatch of Libadwaita using list items as almost a generic container, and of the fact that we did not solve the situation where you have an a11y label for the item, and its content as well, in some cases, you need both, so Orca does it, which is chatty sometimes, e. g. in Tuba. And, the keyboard handling thing will be fixed in Gnome 48.
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@Lukáš Tyrychtr @Jure Repinc @Gregarious I would be interested to know how do you guys use the @Dino #XMPP messaging app with a #screenReader? When I launch it it opens one of my recent conversations. Input box has the focus. I can't figure out how to use the keyboard to navigate to the incoming chat, to the toolbar, to the menu and similar. I can use ctrl+tab to cycle through open conversations. I am using version 0.4.4.
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