What's the state of #matrix, #xmpp and #IRC as far as #screenReader -accessible clients are concerned? Desktop (Windows, Mac) and mobile (iOS, Android).
Hoping for some input, please feel free to boost. As far as I know:
Matrix does not have a lightweight, fully accessible client for desktop, but one could be modified, such as #gomuks. On mobile, Element has scrolling issues, which is unacceptable for large rooms.
XMPP has accessible desktop clients (I used to run #Adium on the Mac), also #WeeChat. No idea about mobile.
IRC is perhaps the one which everything supports on desktop, from #MirandaIM through Weechat to the old Freedom Chat, which I could probably rewrite if I had to. Also not sure about mobile, but it would definitely need push notifications, because we can't expect people to stay constantly online on the go. #a11y #accessibility
Bonjour ici, dans le cadre de mon projet MIO ⊛ je fais un sondage pour savoir combien vous êtes prêt à payer un service pour chatter depuis une seule appli et un seul compte avec des gens sur #xmpp #matrix #sip mais aussi #whatsapp et #facebook_messenger sans avoir de compte chez eux !!
Si c’est pas clair, un peu plus de détails là : mio.chat/
My grandmother recently got locked out of #WhatsApp because her phone broke, and the spare one we had on hand is one WhatsApp has decided is too old to run on 💀
Fortunately, #XMPP has no such qualms! She's currently keeping up with the family group chat on #Quicksy while others of us use #Conversations, #DinoIM, and #Gajim. (Of course, extended family and friends are another matter 😔)
This serves as a reminder that closed apps may close you out—but open protocols have your back forever!
They said #XMPP was connected to #xampu, so I made some! 😇
Hair is personal. Messaging should be too
The owner of Beeja Botanicals is my former classmate, and she's used the shampoo herself, so I know it's good! The first batch is ready and will be available for purchase at #PravConf (or will be, once I've finished wrapping it all 😅)
@feudjais Your mother uses it because you set it up for her and you are willing to be her tech support if things don't work. Most people don't have a "you" (someone who is that passionate about #xmpp that they are willing to do all the heavy lifting) in their lives.
I need to say it : #XMPP is also a good replacement. The first step to use it is not easy for everyone but once it is done it is way simpler than Matrix. My mother use XMPP with no problem! 😊
Why don't you include the federated #XMPP (aka Jabber) protocol as an alternative? There are plenty of good clients for the phone and PC, like #Conversations, #gajim, or #dino. With the modern extensions like Omemo E2EE and various improvements for mobile use, it is very useable even on phones, while keeping the flexibility and resilience of a federated service (just like the Fediverse).
#XMPP enthusiasts out there: what would you say the ultimate Achilles heel of the XMPP ecosystem is, at present? Fragmentation of clients? What?
My sense is that it's this: when one goes to store an XMPP address in one's addressbook, there doesn't seem to be standard way to store an XMPP address. #Android doesn't have that as an allowable field, and #Thunderbird and #Nextcloud have an "Instant Messaging" field, where the type can be set to "XMPP". But are these two compatible with each other when trying to sync between them? Edit: Yes, but there's a catch: *the XMPP address must be prefixed with "xmpp:"*
So "user@foo.bar" is not an OK XMPP address, but "xmpp:user@foo.bar" is.
Then to make matters worse, now there's a wish to change the labeling of "XMPP Address" to "Chat ID": gultsch.social/@daniel/1140129…
It might be a long time before the address synchy-ness ever works again between Android <-> #Davx5 <-> Nextcloud <->Thunderbird
Note: Android allows a "Jabber" type for an IM address, where you *don't* prefix the address with "xmpp:".
(#DeltaChat gets to gloat hard here, as they have plain-old email addresses)
If you're still recommending #Signal, you may have missed the tech oligarchs' takeover of the US government. The best time to recommend European alternatives was 8 years ago; the second best is now.
I just migrated my personal #XMPP server based on #Prosody to its own #selfhosted server. I could not believe how easy it was, including transferring configuration, accounts, stored messages/files, etc.
BTW, the new server is just tiny, with 1GB of RAM, and it still seems to use only a fraction of it.
I suppose this is the result of dealing with an amazing protocol (XMPP) coupled with an excellent piece of technology (Prosody) 👏
Thanks to @VishnuSanal and @mj for all their efforts to get this on the Play Store.
You can see an incomplete list of all the people who contribute to Prav at prav.app/credits/ (if you are missing or know someone else is missing in the list or your information is incomplete, feel free to send a pull request).
Y'a quelqu'un qui a déjà réussi à faire en sorte que ce test #xmpp passe ? compliance.conversations.im/te… J'ai ajouté le module http_altconnect à mon serveur prosody version 0.12.5 et que pouic
#Prav project started 3 years ago with the goal of mass adoption of private messaging powered by #XMPP and democratic decision-making. The project was inspired by #Quicksy and #Snikket.
I’m going to be at the Berlin XMPP Meetup on Wednesday, February 12th, chatting about what happened at the XMPP Summit.
I’ll either be discussing it with friends who were there or, if you want to join us, we’d be happy to share a summary of what’s new in the world of #XMPP!
@Lukáš Tyrychtr @Jure Repinc @Gregarious I would be interested to know how do you guys use the @Dino #XMPP messaging app with a #screenReader? When I launch it it opens one of my recent conversations. Input box has the focus. I can't figure out how to use the keyboard to navigate to the incoming chat, to the toolbar, to the menu and similar. I can use ctrl+tab to cycle through open conversations. I am using version 0.4.4.
This is what I think about whenever infosec wonks on here start telling people they should use matrix or xmpp+omemo or whatnot instead of signal
To be fair, I understand the arguments and to a large extent I agree with the critiques. However, I think anyone making these recommendations is vastly underestimating the capacity or appetite for most people to deal with the user experiences presented by these alternatives.
User experience is the ultimate force multiplier. For anything that requires network effects to function (ie most anything involving communication), if it doesn't *just work* then you've lost 90% of your audience.
My talk "A Universal and Stable API to Everything: XMPP" is already available online, thanks to FOSDEM staff for their amazing work, and thanks to people who attended or we met at the RT Lounge.
XMPP is a messaging protocol (among other things) that needs no introduction to any technical audience. Its various implementations have proliferated through technical communities for decades. Many…
I'm skipping #FOSDEM this year, but the #XMPP Standards Foundation will be there! Stop by the Realtime Lounge¹ to chat about XMPP, pick up some merch, and maybe grab a #Conversations_im sticker—while supplies last! 🚀
I don’t usually do this kind of evangelism, but if you’re looking for a reason to try #XMPP on #GlobalSwitchDay, now’s the perfect time: #Conversations_im is currently free on Google Play!
I don’t usually do this kind of evangelism, but if you’re looking for a reason to try #XMPP on #GlobalSwitchDay, now’s the perfect time: #Conversations_im is currently free on Google Play!
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[The XMPP logo] Introducing xampu, the XMPP themed shampoo bar!
What if your shampoo brand forced you to hang out only with people who use the same brand of shampoo? [Two people with focus lines on their hair. A lightning bolt strikes between them]
We think such restrictions are as absurd for messaging apps as they would be for hair products. [Similarly, two speech bubbles with a lightning bolt betwixt]
XMPP is a common language (protocol) that different chat services can use to talk to each other. [Image of many connected speech bubbles]
[Green banner saying] XMPP stands for "eXtensible Messaging and Presence Protocol". Since both those are a mouthful, people in Brazil have taken to affectionately pronouncing it xampu—which means shampoo.
[A rabbit] This shampoo bar by Beeja Botanicals is hand made using natural ingredients. It is free from harmful products like SLS and paraben, and contains no animal-tested products.
Like making your own shampoo, running your own chat server allows you to address local ethical and technical issues—more privacy? solar powered? larger upload size? integrated login?—that matter to you.
Not everyone has the time and energy to make shampoo, or to run their own XMPP server. Proceeds from this shampoo bar will go towards funding Prav, which operates XMPP services so you don't have to. [A pigeon]
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[The XMPP logo] Introducing xampu, the XMPP themed shampoo bar!
What if your shampoo brand forced you to hang out only with people who use the same brand of shampoo? [Two people with focus lines on their hair. A lightning bolt strikes between them]
We think such restrictions are as absurd for messaging apps as they would be for hair products. [Similarly, two speech bubbles with a lightning bolt betwixt]
XMPP is a common language (protocol) that different chat services can use to talk to each other. [Image of many connected speech bubbles]
[Green banner saying] XMPP stands for \"eXtensible Messaging and Presence Protocol\". Since both those are a mouthful, people in Brazil have taken to affectionately pronouncing it xampu—which means shampoo.
[A rabbit] This shampoo bar by Beeja Botanicals is hand made using natural ingredients. It is free from harmful products like SLS and paraben, and contains no animal-tested products.
Like making your own shampoo, running your own chat server allows you to address local ethical and technical issues—more privacy? solar powered? larger upload size? integrated login?—that matter to you.
Not everyone has the time and energy to make shampoo, or to run their own XMPP server. Proceeds from this shampoo bar will go towards funding Prav, which operates XMPP services so you don't have to. [A pigeon]
Footer saying: Hair is personal. Messaging should be, too.")
