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Too much to quote from this excellent piece by @NicMakesStuff , but I'll go with: “I would never judge an accessibility professional for choosing to forgo the certification.”, 100% agree
wait what the fuck you're telling me the canadian FLIRTs are only running at 80km/h?? the train that can famously do 160/200 is being limited to measly 80?????
from somebody who used to take the Lille-Paris TGV as his commuter train over 20 years ago, I know quite well (I have been living in Canada since). Here 160 km/h is high speed. It's even the weak target in their "High-Speed rail report"
@hub oh, i know quite well which line it runs on, it just baffles me they picked FLIRTs for this when there's way more applicable (and affordable!) trains they could have picked if they don't need the speed
@hub oh, the trams! i mean, Bombardier got absorbed into Alstom, but the Citadis line was started fully within Alstom, with trams built in Poland and France
and yeah, they'd work better in a moderate climate, or on rails embedded into roads ( as trams would usually do! ) rather than a suburban light rail line...
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I mean, before I even read beyond the summary here, "subjects were trained mainly in the underscore style " and "subjects recognize identifiers in the underscore style more quickly." are pretty telling.
@cachondo They admit that factor, but it’s not the whole story. They refer to an earlier study where the subjects “were mostly trained in the *camel-case style*” where the result was similar, but not as pronounced (13.5% vs 20%): “Comparing this result to the original study, we can say that with more experience (training), the effect of identifier style on performance is reduced, but not eliminated.”
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C'était 2002 ou 2003. Je m'endormais et je me réveillais avec mes cours de français, j'ai presque oublié toute autre langue, je rêvais de la France et tout qui avait le moindre rapport avec. Et puis l'un de mes amis m'a apporté ça et a demandé de traduire. C'était… dur de le faire d'une façon adéquate 😂 #Mastobada Le vent nous portera. youtube.com/watch?v=NrgcRvBJYB…
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Ich dachte es gibt Probleme damit, scheint aber korrekt zu funktionieren. Daher reply editiert.
Wenn du die Option möchtest, die Anzeige auszublenden, wäre das ein neuer Feature Request. Die sind am besten als GitHub Issue aufgehoben, wo eben der Friendica Tracker ist.
@wilhelm Das bedeutet, dass mir Stand jetzt wirklich diese Anzeige bei jedem Bild aufgezwungen wird? Man hat als User da keinerlei Einfluss darauf? Das ist aber dann eher suboptimal umgesetzt.
Ich weiß es nicht. Ich habe das Feature weder implementiert noch vorgeschlagen. Grundsätzlich finde ich es hilfreich und sinnvoll, bei Bildern mit Beschreibung einen visuellen Indikator zu haben, der mich wissen läßt, dass es für das fragliche Bild eine Beschreibung gibt. Wenn dich die Information bei Bildern mit Beschreibung so massiv stört bleibt eben der Weg, einen Feature Request einzureichen und einen Entwickler dafür zu begeistern. Wie ist diese Funktion in anderer Software umgesetzt? Wie machen es Mastodon oder Iceshrimp oder Sharkey?
@xy.. @Fedinaut Nein, das ist Teil einer Maßnahme, um Friendica für sehbehinderte Menschen zugänglich zu machen. Daher ist das aus meiner Sicht eine sehr sinnvolle Änderung.
@Matthias Ich finde den Gedanken ja sehr sinnvoll, Friendica für sehbehinderte Menschen zugänglicher zu machen. Aber die Umsetzung, wie es aktuell ist, ist einfach nicht gelungen.
@Fedinaut friendica hat es gar nicht nötig Mastodon nachzumachen. Sicher machen die vieles besser. Aber Friendica hat andere gute Ideen oder Konzepte. Sonst wäre ich ja zu Mastodon gegangen..
Das finde ich auch etwas nervig. Eigentlich ist der Alt-Text doch dazu da angezeigt zu werden wenn das Bild aus welchem Grund auch immer nicht angezeigt werden kann. Und natürlich für NutzerInnen von Screenreadern. In beiden Fällen muss dieser Hinweis aber nicht angezeigt werden.
@Montag Gerade für Nutzer von Screenreadern ist es wichtig zu sehen ob es einen ALT-Text gibt. Wird das nicht angezeigt, dann gibt es keinen und das Bild ist für diese User nutzlos.
@Franky_Tegeler :friendica: Vielleicht habe ich eine andere Vorstellung davon, wie ein Screenreader funktioniert. In meiner Vorstellung zeigt ein Screenreader ja nur den Text an und bei Bildern wird der Alt-Text angezeigt wenn vorhanden. Deshalb ist meinem Verständnis nach so eine Markierung das es einen Alt-Text gibt eigentlich nicht notwendig. Entweder man schaut sich die Timeline mit einem grafischen Browser an und die Bilder werden angezeigt, oder es wird ein Screenreader/Textbrowser genutzt der sowieso keine Bilder anzeigen kann und deshalb den Alt-Text nutzt. Beim erstellen eines Beitrages wäre ein Hinweis hilfreich das der Alt-Text fehlt.
@Montag Ja, im großen stimme ich dir zu. Dennoch kann ein ALT-Text auch in der App oder im Browser sinnvoll sein, da ich dort andere verkürzte oder größere Infos zum Bild unterbringen kann. Es kommt wie immer darauf an was das Bild zeigt und was ich damit transportieren will.
@Fedinaut Also ich finde das zum einen praktisch, da sofort klar ist, dass hier ein Alttext vorhanden ist. Für mich neben dem Inhalt Grund einen Beitrag zu teilen oder eben nicht. Außerdem wird Beeinträchtigung bzw. Barrierefreiheit sichtbar gemacht und so Teil der wahrgenommenen Realität.
@Serenityfreaksout Ich finde es gut, wenn Menschen mit Behinderungen Unterstützung geboten wird. Dabei finde ich es aber wichtig die große Menge nicht-behinderter Menschen im Blick zu behalten. Übertragen auf UI-Design würde das für mich heißen, dass Barrierefreiheit optional und in den Optionen gut auffindbar integriert ist. Ich habe viel Verständnis für andere Ansichten; für mich persönlich sollte Ästhetik über Barrierefreiheit gehen.
@Serenityfreaksout Aber doch bitte nicht mitten im Bild. Wenn ich daran denke, wie viel schöne Fotos hier von Usern präsentiert werden und dann ist mitten im Bild so eine graue Box. Das zerstört das komplette Bild. Außerhalb vom Bild gerne, aber nicht im Bild. Aber am besten wäre, wenn jeder User selber entscheiden könnte, ob das angezeigt bekommen möchte oder nicht.
@Fedinaut Ein sinn dieses alt-labels ist glaube ich, dass man es anklicken kann und dann der alt text eingeblendet wird. So ist es bei Mastodon, wo das evtl. herkommt. Wie das nun behinderten Menschen hilft, weiß ich nicht. Der alt text ist bei friendica auch sichtbar wenn man das Bild anklickt, in der lightbox. Ich hab nix dagegen das Label anzuzeigen, aber vielleicht können wir es auch so machen, dass es bei Klick den Text anzeigt..
@xy.. Also ich habe es gerade noch einmal getestet. Es macht keinen Unterschied, ob ich auf diese graue Box klicke oder auf das Bild. Es wird in beiden Fällen das Bild geöffnet, mit dem ALT-Text darunter. Der ALT-Text wird übrigens auch angezeigt, wenn ich mit der Maus über das Bild fahre.
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Nouvelle semaine, nouveau #mastobada. Et cette fois, c’est le vent qui est le sujet.
Je propose donc un petit Manau, avec « la tribu de Dana » : youtu.be/80hMEKlLVgQ
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There is a de facto environment variable CI=true that is enabled on CI platforms like GitHub, GitLab and Jenkins. Tools such as pip and yarn listen to this and make their output less chatty. In man...
Gemini AI needs to be disabled on Android or it will override your privacy settings and gain full access to your texts, calls, and WhatsApp - even if you’ve turned off Gemini Apps Activity.
Even when not using dedicated OS for privacy, just disable/remove Google crap, including "Google" app. Disabling that one blocks so many evil Google stuff including their stupid assistants on any brand of phone.
Just wanted to specifically call out @e_mydata as another lovely deGoogled Android alternative. Their installation process was among the easiest in terms of technical skills required (i.e., no command line use required) and having @murena offer the OS preinstalled on phones is, in my opinion, a great way to get the less-technically inclined folks on board.
@pluralistic I’m sorry, I’m all for holding giant corporations accountable and raising red flags when necessary, but this feels like unhelpful and inaccurate fear mongering.
Gemini isn’t about to start “scanning your phone.” If you use a Google phone running Google’s OS with Google apps and the Google “AI” assistant, then starting today you can use that AI assistant without having to turn on “Apps Activity.” That’s all.
So at whart point would Gemini have been installed? It's not in my apps list. Am I just that far behind the times? Android 12 Both phones tell me my software is up to date.
If anyone reading this has questions about installing either of these, I've installed both LineageOS and GrapheneOS on a couple different phones now. This one's running Lineage.
There is a de facto environment variable CI=true that is enabled on CI platforms like GitHub, GitLab and Jenkins. Tools such as pip and yarn listen to this and make their output less chatty. In man...
well, thanks - I had wondered at the name of that variable, knowing it existed but not why it was named generically. So I learned from this! Thanks for sharing.
+1 for not adding this suggested feature, prefer explicit behaviour
I would also vote no. It changes output in a significant way with just an env variable. It feels like an easy trap to fall into, with no obvious way out.
there will be a lot of time lost debugging why does it acts doferently in CI than on my machine, maybe.. it could on first line say "CI env variable set on true, in silent mode" or something, like when apt is crying when used with scripts
good decision. Using environment variables as a secondary api is always an abuse. It introduced an ambiguity about which takes priority: env or command line flags?
It is terrible for discoverability: I can see the flags that are set, but I would have to inspect every environment variable and then find a list of which ones curl is affected by.
This is the exact reason global variables are frowned upon in any context!
Also generic env names imply multi-tool agreement that is doomed.
@IzzyOnDroid Guten Morgen/Tag, könntest du bitte nachsehen, weshalb das Update 2.5.0 von Delta Icon Pack noch nicht gezogen wurde? Mir ist außerdem aufgefallen, dass ich Delta Icon Pack nicht über die Repo Suchmaske finden konnte, sondern nur über eine externe Suchmaschine. War mir daher nicht sicher, ob du das Paket evtl. aus dem Repo genommen hast.
Du linkst gerade zu einer App im F-Droid.org repo (URL endet mit "?repo=main". Findest Du über die Suche dann auch, wenn Du vorher als Repo auch "F-Droid Main" auswählst. Und für den Rest musst Du dann bei F-Droid anklopfen 😉
Sorry, habe da einen Denkfehler gemacht. Ich habe zu einem das Icon Pack über F-Droid installiert und nochmal über den Aurora Store, um jedesmal zwei statt einem Icon Request absenden zu können. Hatte angenommen ich hätte das zweite Icon Pack über dein Repo installiert, weil es das auch über Github gibt. Mea culpa 😁
Passiert. Sehe gerade anhand der eingebundenen Vorschau: der "og:site_name" sollte vielleicht besser "IzzyOnDroid Repo Browser" heißen, statt "IzzyOnDroid App Repo"? Letzteres wäre ja explizit das IzzyOnDroid Repo. OK, done. Wobei der Page Title ganz klar war: "Delta Icon Pack - F-Droid Main Repo" 😉 Aber ja, auf den Fenstertitel schaut man kaum, alles gut…
1.Download curl.se using #curl built to use OpenSSL (that is over HTTPS in case Mastodon hides the scheme for you) 2. count number of allocations made with heaptrack 3. pause for gasping 4. double-check that curl only does 134 allocs itself, independently of the downloaded size 5. check the heaptrack number again
After so many years, NVDA add-ons still keep surprising me. Today I found a mod of the Enhanced Find Dialog add-on which, apart from its interesting features like search history, replaces the annoying Not found error message with a single "not found" text announcement, like JAWS. So if you find the last or first instance of something, there'll be no need to dismiss the "Not found" error message via Escape. Really neat! nvda.ru/uploads/addons/Enhance… @NVAccess
@JamminJerry It's all what you know and get used to - I'd likely struggle if I sat down with the Jaws cursor for the first time too :)
If you are interested in learning it, I would strongly recommend our Basic Training for NVDA which has a full section on object navigation and one on the review cursor: nvaccess.org/product-category/…
see now that you have said those commands, I am already confused! lol! I am just used to the jaws curser, especially when you rout it to where your PC curser is. it stays in the window you are in, and you just use normal command to read it. up arrow, or numpad-8 to go up a line, down arrow or numpad-2 to go down a line, ETC.
you don't have to use something like insert 7 on the numpad to get into a different thing, jsut to read what you are near. this is why I get so confused, and frustrated.
True - it may or may not be the case depending on what you want it to do. However, based on my experience at least, the JAWS cursor is really easier to manipulate, and it can be explained to new users with a whole lot ease compared with NVDA's rather complicated object navigation and manipulation. @JamminJerry
@JamminJerry If reading a whole line of objects at a time, you would presumably need a command to step through those individually though, if you needed to get to and activate one specific one - so neither approach is actually simpler, they're just different and which one will seem simpler is likely the one you know better :)
@JamminJerry The key part there is "Based on my experience". Based on MY experience, I'd go a different way - and that's not to argue which one is better :)
@JamminJerry Exactly. Manipulating the JAWS cursor and moving around screens is much easier than manipulating NVDA's object navigation mode. And I haven't mentioned other more complicated object navigation key strokes for you - LOL! @NVAccess
now what would really would be cool, not that it could be done is something in settings where you could have a checkbox, or something to set the numpad to either work like the jfw numpad, or the NVDA numpad. does this make sense? so if you put it in the NVDA mode, it would do this whole object nav, flat nav, ETC. that confuses the hell out of me, or if you had it in JFW mode, it would just read lines, characters, words, where you are like the JFW curser does. smile. I hope I am saying this in a way that makes sense. I know it can't be done, but it would be nice. smile.
I don't think the JFW model is necessarily more complicated. While you can navigate line by line via the JAWS cursor, you can also navigate word by word, meaning object by object, and you can left-click the word or object easily. With JAWS, Ccursors are a lot more similar when it comes to manipulation. @JamminJerry
Sure. But we're talking about JAWS users who want to experience NVDA, and guess I'm a better representative in this category. I think you've said many times that you haven't used JAWS. So, sorry, you are not a member of this gang - LOL! @JamminJerry
@JamminJerry No problem (and for the record, I have used Jaws, just not in .... about ten years) - and while there are arguably things which one screen reader does better than the other (and that goes both ways), there are many things which are going to feel easier or preferrable based on what you know (I'm wary to bring up the Eloquence / eSpeak comparison here, even though I'm thinking about it. But I won't start that, so pretend I didn't think anything! 🤣)
@JamminJerry Makes me wonder if the block is whether NVDA's object navigation IS complex, or.... do we just need to explain it better? Maybe we should start with explaining flattened object navigation? Not sure. I'd probably need to sit down with some practical examples and re-think it from scratch :)
Out of interest, have you read Basic Training for NVDA? Would be interested in your thoughts on how it is explained in there?
actually someone under this name said they switched from jfw to NVDA I think they said 10 years ago. I think to myself, they don't know about the jfw curser, when they used JFW? I just found that kind of strange, as I personally use that a lot, and I hate when it breaks on me. smile. the whole object nav thing that NVDA does, at least doesn't break, and all you hear is blank blank blank blank, when you try to move around the screen.
@JamminJerry LOL - I was the person who made the switch more than 10 years ago! And I was quite familiar with the JAWS cursor. But there's a lot more to it than the cursor war. NVDA, especially in its current form, offers a lot more which I find satisfactory, and its object navigation, while more complicated, gets the job done. Try using Fluent Reader with JAWS 2025, and you'll be hugely disappointed. @NVAccess
LOL - don't bring up that Eloquence/ eSpeak stuff please! But while JAWS offers Eloquence natively, NVDA, via add-ons, can better utilize it. So for those who are willing to look around, the Eloquence experience with NVDA is really superior IMO. @JamminJerry
Sadly no. 🫦🫦 I haven't purchased that guide. It may be better explained there - not sure. But I'm sure better explanations in the free manual would help more users as it's about the heart and soul of NVDA not its extra features like, say, advanced MS Word support. @JamminJerry
@JamminJerry The user guide isn't designed to teach you the features, it's designed more as a reference - many people HAVE learnt their way around the screen reader with it of course, but we made the training material to better fill that need. The training introduces say "Moving between objects", explains it and the keys, then has a step by step activity for you to do, and then a "bonus" activity which is a similar task but without giving you the keys each step of the way this time.
Good to know. Guess I should purchase it one of these days. But since I'm quite familiar with NVDA and the NVDA certificate isn't sadly recognized here as a resume booster, I don't feel motivated to do it. @JamminJerry
@JamminJerry That's ok, and the material IS designed to teach NVDA, so while you likely may pick up some things here and there reading it, as you do already have great NVDA skills, you wouldn't get as much out of working through it as someone else might :) I'll have to find someone who learnt object navigation from the training mateiral to see how they find it.
WIth the certification, it will be like any private accreditation - some may recognise it and some may not. It would be a phenomenal amount of work to have it recognised as an officially government endorsed certificate even in one country (or in some places, per state).
Thanks. I'm now taking a look at NVDA User Guide, 5.4 Object Navigation in particular. While it is clearly and neatly written, the info presented there is, IMO, quite short. I can see how it can confuse someone who comes from JAWS with its ease of using the JAWS cursor. @JamminJerry
@JamminJerry Again though, that is designed as a short reference for someone who already knows it, not as training for new users. You'd really need to read the two whole sections on object navigation and the review cursor in the Basic Training for NVDA module though to get a feel for how someone would / should learn to use the features
Right, but I'm wondering how many new users would actually pay for that. Based on what you say, most new users or switchers should though most of them don't. @JamminJerry
One more important point while we're at Input gestures. If we assign a key stroke, like NVDA+F, to the find/ search function, NVDA, unlike JAWS, doesn't issue a warning to indicate that the key stroke has already been taken by a command, giving users the chance to continue or stop. This way, users will end up modifying stuff without necessarily knowing they are removing a pre-defined key stroke. @JamminJerry
@JamminJerry For $32 Australian, there is little reason for most users not to. I realise not everyone can afford even that (in which case, reach out to us, we will help you!) - and for average day to day use, you can likely get by for quite a while with the quick start guide (section 2 of the user guide) and the rest of the user guide. Most users shouldn't need object navigation right away - it IS an advanced skill.
@asael @JamminJerry Good point, and that does of course highlight a different issue. The training materail has only been translated into a few languages (and mostly distributed locally in those cases). But I think our translators would riot if we suddenly through the training material at all and expected them to translate it given how much extra work it would be! Definitely something for us to consider though
@JamminJerry btw, i know that i have also translated it to croatian some time ago in 2020, and i need to do somehow the update of it, plus, we need to arrrange the distribution. Please, go to Pm.
Really don't want to complain, but if the certificate isn't involved, I guess new users would rather purchase TTS engines instead of a user guide. And as NVDA gets advertised as the screen reader of choice in developing countries, paying that amount, however meager, would be out of the question for most users there. And in countries like Iran, paying for stuff outside the country requires Herculean efforts. @JamminJerry
@asael I know - exactly. I just wanted to say that the majority of users in developing countries might not be able to pay that non-American $32 even if they intend to, because of other priorities or limitations. @NVAccess @JamminJerry
You said most users shouldn't need object navigation. Seriously? This is like saying most users shouldn't need the JAWS cursor or the equivalent of the mouse pointer. @JamminJerry
@JamminJerry So coming at this as a JAWS convert as well, I found the most jarring part of switching was no JAWS cursor. But for me, the easiest way of thinking about it is that screen review works in a lot of places the JAWS cursor did. For those it doesn't, you just need to find the right object. A folder's properties in the file manager, for example, if I want to see the size of a folder, I go into its properties. In JAWS, I route JAWS to PC and cursor up. with NVDA on a laptop, I use NVDA+UP instead (I'm on laptop layout). Now sometimes I'm in object mode, so I switch to screen with NVDA+page-up, and then NVDA+up/down works just like regular up/down in JAWS did, with the added benefit that I can still work with the focus, and have commands to copy a selection. Same applies for objects, like console windows. I can just NVDA+UP in object mode rather than screen to read console output. yes, I have to change mode sometimes, and yes, I'm using NVDA plus up/down rather than just the cursor, but that also means I can read through console output and type new stuff in without losing my place. it's a change for sure, but not as big a one as it first appeared.
@JamminJerry also, I know I can just go up to the parent object in the example I gave. the screen review is more akin to what a JAWS cursor user might see, was my point.
@cachondo see for me, you already lost me. I am so cinfused. lol. I am a jaws user, that is trying to use NVDA more, and this whole object nav, and such just frustrates me, because I can't seem to grasp it like everyone else does.
@JamminJerry We do look for ways to get it into the hands of people in the developing countries easier. For instance we got some funding a few years ago to have the material translated by local agencies on the ground in several south-east asian countries and that was a great success. And TBH, for a technical user such as yourself, object navigation is probably one of the few areas where some users would benefit from the material rather than just picking it up from the user guide etc
@JamminJerry it can be confusing. :) NVDA's object navigation literally lets you move around each object on the screen. The problem is, that almost anything is an object. Like the focused object might literally be the OK button in a dialog box, so you can only really then get around the O and the K of the text, BEFORE COMING OUT OF THAT OBJECT to explore further. How the objects all relate to each other, which are siblings, which parents, which children, is the thing to wrap your head around that really blows most people's minds.
Screen review can be a lifesaver here because in some cases, it replicates the JAWS cursor's ability to explore the screen regardless of the object hierarchy. So, like in that properties dialog box I mentioned earlier, it'd let you see everything on the screen: folder size, number of files, and so on.
@JamminJerry I meant shouldn't need to learn object navigation in say their first week as a screen reader user - eventually yes! It is of course extremely useful :)
@JamminJerry btw, regarding developing countries, i plan to release belarusian tts now in mid july. it will be a good post or live interview for your site tbh.
@JamminJerry Just re-reading my message, I did say "most users shouldn't need object navigation right away" - and I was thinking of users learning either a screen reader from scratch - if you're coming from Jaws I'd probably recommend the Switching from Jaws to NVDA guide - github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/… - which touches on object navigation but again recommends the training material :)
@cachondo ok, so now my next stupid question is how do I use the review thing as apose to object nav? I assume object nav is what I am using when I am doing the insert 7, and then using the 7 key to go up line by line in the properties diolog box?
@JamminJerry so when you use the 7 key, you're moving the review cursor. NVDA plus 1 or 7 changes what mode that cursor is in, from object to screen usually, or document if you happen to be on a web page. You should find that using numpad 7 and 9 to go up and down will work either in the current object or, if that's not enough data, use NVDA plus 1 or 7 to change mode then try 7 and 9 again to move around the screen. Objects will be things like your terminal windows. Screen will work on older native windows screens, like folder properties. Document are virtualised things: web pages, pdf's, OCR results.
@JamminJerry if you'd like some time to chat over it, maybe do a remote connection and play about with a few screens whilst talking, let me know. Happy to do what I can.
@cachondo will deffinitly keep that in mind. I know one thing that doesn't work well for me is the command prompt. I log into a raspberry py that has a ham radio transever in it, a Shari, to do things like make sure it is up to date, things like that. when I try using 7 and 9 in there, I just hear top of window blank, or something like that, and it drives me nuts. smile.
@JamminJerry so as soon as you hear that blank, hit your NVDA plus 1 or 7 to change to object navigation. all the text of your command prompt session is in that object if you're just using the native windows command prompt
@JamminJerry Are the training materials integrated with NVDA's translation system like the user guide is? I don't think so, and that makes them next to useless to 80+ percent of new users.
@cachondo @JamminJerry basically, the JAWS cursor and the way NVDA does things are almost exact opposites. The JAWS cursor is a mode where you first bring the cursors in sync (route jaws to pc), then you switch to the JAWS cursor, and use your regular reading keys to look around the spot you were already at to get more information about that context. You can then click, or right-click, or what have you, to interact with anything in that area should you need to, and you can pretty much veer away from that area if necessary and explore the entire screen. What NVDA does is different in that by default, all cursors already tend to follow each other, and you don't jump into another "mode" to explore the screen that way, but rather you move NVDA in a different way, almost akin to how VoiceOver works, in order to do the same thing.
@zersiax @cachondo @JamminJerry Also you can virtualize the content under the JAWS cursor, i.e., bring it to a browser-like environment and then read it at your pace, or copy to clipboard. I'm really sorry to NVDA devs and fans out there, but after so many years I can't get used to absence of JAWS cursor analog in NVDA, I use it every day in JAWS, particularly in the console/terminal environment with lengthy command outputs. also, at least in Windows Terminal, if you maximize the screen, it allows you to scroll past view. So, if your command outputs three screens of info, you can just scroll with your Up Arrow.
@menelion @zersiax @JamminJerry But you can just scroll up the view of the NVDA object in the console, too. exactly the same. You can set markers and copy and paste, all whilst not hooking your keyboard away from the current task.
@cachondo @zersiax @JamminJerry I heard I could, but I've never managed to. I keep hearing "Top" and "bottom" every time and it drives me nuts, to be honest.
@menelion @zersiax @JamminJerry it's a misleading report to have screen and object review mode inasmuch as very few people seem to know what the object under the cursor contains.
In console windows, though, screen seems to be nothing and the object is where it's at. Literally. Switch to object mode with NVDA plus page-up/down or NVDA plus numpad 1 or 7 and you'll find all your console output beautifully accessible.
@JamminJerry I amended the guide to reflect that Remote is now part of core. I haven't used JAWS for any more than a few minutes at a time for a while now either.
What's really strange about this is that, for me anyway, I can leave it in a mode such as Screen Review and it seems to remember that when cycling through the review modes, but if I quit using the Object nav commands to move in the normal way then use them again, it acts as though it's back in Object Review mode. Maybe I'm missing something...?
@miki @JamminJerry That's true, though the reason is firstly because we charge for the training material, so that would introduce issues of fairness and payment to translators, as wel as introduce a significant amount more work for translators. We have made arrangements in some languages as previously noted, but we haven't found a one size fits all approach to this yet.
@GamingWithEars @JamminJerry The ribbon in Word is a good example - With regular object nav you go into the 'Home" ribbon (object), then down into the Clipboard object, then to paste, cut, copy, etc, then back out of that container & across to the Font object and into that to font name, then font size, bold, italic, etc, etc. Advantage is moving by next object you won't end up out of that font section. With flat navigation, you press next and go through all of those in roughly that order
@GamingWithEars At the very least, the User guide, I mean the free one, should make a more detailed distinction between flattened object navigation vs non-flattened object navigation, or what is simply called Object navigation. It's mentioned really briefly, and my understanding, probably wrong though, is that flattened navigation is an attempt to emulate JAWS cursor's Up/ Down movement behavior. Even then, objects are navigated separately, unlike JAWS which truly navigates line by line. @JamminJerry @NVAccess
@GamingWithEars It's also a mystery to me, and before I can understand what's going on, I get lost in the maze of key strokes for object navigation, some with Insert, some with SHIFT, and some just numpad numbers. It's wishful thinking I know, but I wish it were as simple as the JAWS cursor. @JamminJerry @NVAccess
@JamminJerry Well, glad I'm not the only one. I was messing with it last night as a result of this conversation and was very perplexed because I'd never paid attention to that asspect before, just always switched to the mode(s) I needed.
@JamminJerry The point here is that you can move with the JAWS cursor with normal navigation commands. With Object Review, instead of just needing to know two commands to switch between the JAWS and PC cursors, you need to know an entirely different set of keystrokes just to work with it at all, even more if you need to switch review modes and when should you do so? which adds yet another level of complexity. So it's unnecessarily complicated. The level of controll is nice, but no good if you can't explain to most people how to use it. Having said all that, one of the main reasons I switched to using NVDA as my primary SR is because the JAWS cursor often doesn't read anything or gets stuck and that has never really been addressed. So while more complicated, it is definitely more reliable.
@GamingWithEars I think what you said explains my problem with the whole object nav better than I could. when to use certain parts of it, at least for me is what makes it all confusing as hell!
@JamminJerry What's really strange about this is that, for me anyway, I can leave it in a mode such as Screen Review and it seems to remember that when cycling through the review modes, but if I quit using the Object nav commands to move in the normal way then use them again, it acts as though it's back in Object Review mode. Maybe I'm missing something...?
@GamingWithEars but one thin you do have to givbe NVDA, you don't get blank blank blank blank blank all the time, like you do with the jaws curser. something that has happened for years and years, and to this day, they still haven't fixed it. what sucks is you can't just do a restart of jfw to fix it. oh no, you have to restart your whole machine just to fix it.
@GamingWithEars the ones I have tried for NVDA aren't bad, but I now use a program called basilisk. I think it was or is based off one of the ones that anitially started out as an NVDA addon. now it is a stand alone program that you can use even with jfw if you want.
@EdenLinnea @JamminJerry If you know anyone somewhat familiar with VoiceOver on Mac AND NVDA, I'd be happy to draft a "Switching from VoiceOver to NVDA" guide similar to the Jaws one. I'm happy to write it, I just don't know what commands are different (I'm assuming quite a bit since the whole OS is different, but I'd rather not make it entirely a "Switching from Mac to PC with the keyboard" guide - that could be a whole book!)
@JamminJerry I haven't, because I don't know of a good one to use. I have Ask ChatGPT, but that one hasn't been updated to work with the latest NVDA. I can deal with the API key just fine I think.
@cachondo @JamminJerry As an NVDA user initially, trying to wrap my head around JAWS cursors was equally confusing, and when I ran into the seeming that JAWS did not have an equivalent to object navigation I promptly thought, how does anyone use it with finicky software then? It does, actually. The touch cursor. Which brings the other parallel. it's like Mac VoiceOver! Mac VO is *always* in object navigation mode, and interacting is equivalent to traversal.
@JamminJerry I think there's almost a case of perverse incentives here.
If you charge for the training material, there's an incentive not to provide free content that would replace it, even though such free content is necessary for the vast majority of NVDA users.
@miki @JamminJerry First and formost we have an objective to provide NVDA for free. To do that we do need income. While sales of the training material is not the bulk of our income, it helps meet that primary goal. But it doesn't disincentivize us from providing free material. The entire Quick Start Guide (Section 2 of the User Guide) was written in 2022, well after the paid training. So we definitely do still develop and distribute free material
@miki @JamminJerry An argument could be made for parts of basic training such as object navigation discussed in this thread - but in fact, if there is any of the paid material for which an argument could not be made that it would be worthwhile people knowing.... then it probably wouldn't be worth charging for in the first place (and I do hope that is not the case)!
@GamingWithEars @JamminJerry The AI Content Describer add-on is brilliant. You can use various models such as Gemini and ChatGPT, and the image descriptions for Gemini pro are really good. You just have to have API keys, and that’s it. Really good.
It is a somewhat common question to me: how do we write C in curl to make it safe and secure for billions of installations? Some precautions we take and decisions we make. There is no silver bullet, just guidelines.
@otte_homan you expect a complete outsider and rookie to be able to help the Rust core team fix something they have themselves not been able to, as a little side-gig next to everything else I do? Yeah, "sure".
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"Jaroslav Skuta, a clarinetist from the Czech Republic, was scheduled to play four concerts - Saturday in Wilber, Sunday in Omaha, Monday in Lincoln and Tuesday in Fremont.
“For hours I was in their custody – phone and all devices confiscated, very rude bullying interrogation, threatening me with jail time. After (a) couple hours of this, they ultimately ordered to send me back home to Prague,” Skuta wrote.
Jaroslav Skuta, a clarinetist from the Czech Republic, was scheduled to play four concerts - Saturday in Wilber, Sunday in Omaha, Monday in Lincoln and Tuesday in Fremont, but he was detained at the airport in Detroit.
David Suzuki says something I believe: it's too late to save the civilization we're used to, but not too late to save some of your neighbors for a while. Some quotes:
"Q: You’ve been quoted many times over the last couple decades saying it’s not too late to tackle climate change, so when did you come to this realization that the battle is lost?
A: It’s been coming all along.
We had previously said that the choice with climate change was mitigation and adaptation, and people began saying 20 years ago that we had to talk about adaptation. Other people said we can’t talk about adaptation because that acknowledges that climate change is real and impacting people. Well, we’re way past the time when we should have been thinking about adaptation.
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For me, what we’ve got to do now is hunker down. The units of survival are going to be local communities, so I’m urging local communities to get together. Finland is offering a great example because the Finnish government has sent a letter to all of their citizens warning of future emergencies, whether they’re earthquakes, floods, droughts, or storms. They’re going to come and they’re going to be more urgent and prolonged.
Governments will not be able to respond on the scale or speed that is needed for these emergencies, so Finland is telling their citizens that they’re going to be at the front line of whatever hits and better be sure you’re ready to meet it. Find out who on your block can’t walk because you’re going to have to deal with that. Who has wheelchairs? Who has fire extinguishers? Where is the available water? Do you have batteries or generators?"
"We have failed to shift the narrative and we are still caught up in the same legal, economic and political systems," said David Suzuki in an exclusive interview with iPolitics. "For me, what we've got to do now is hunker down."
En un evento reciente me tocó hablar de monstruos con dos colegas escritores. Estábamos en un encuentro cuyo tema central era la ficción especulativa y se nos preguntaba por la evolución de lo monstruoso, de los representantes de lo terrible y lo int…
So I went from writing a power ballad last weekend to... this electronic poppy thing yesterday. I do seem to have some serious genre identity crisis. I wonder if I can get this past the first chorus. files.jantrid.net/music/NthDeg…
Like it. You've ended on what could be a perfect transition into the Difficult Disney second verse (a prince and princess on bongos and pig squeals, both in too-tight leather).
Oooh, I love this. Really funny I'd come across this today, of all days. It's been quite the day, and the lyrics are really resonating today in particular. Well done!
Nice. that's a jam even if it is finished as is. It was in your head, now recorded, done. Maybe repeat chorus 1X with mass harmony on the second run? Vocal talent is allstar level.
@ground024 Thanks. Heh, I still need to write a second verse at least and probably a bridge. It's kinda stalled for now, which is annoying. Hopefully it'll come.
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I told my wife about this and she said "well I guess they're going to get all my photos of [our dog] and whatever else I take"
So I said "or you could just delete the apps..."
And she said "I'm not going to use your stupid app that none of my friends or people I like [celebrities, politicians, political commentators] are using"
I suspect this is the same feeling that most people have, which is why Meta has no shame about doing this. The users are a captured and captive audience, and they don't care because the utility they get out of the app is greater than whatever privacy threat this is. RT: chaos.social/users/podfeet/sta…
PSA: Meta (Facebook) is offering a new “feature” where it asks you if you want to opt into “cloud processing”. If you say yes, you’ll be giving it permission to upload your entire camera roll and use AI on them to make suggested posts.
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You are a human: a collection of atoms and stories. Please don't outsource half of your humanity to a bland obsequious robot. Don't use AI to write porn.
“The majority of guns are purchased for reasons that have nothing to do with hunting or shooting sports, and everything to do with the marketing myths created by gun makers. Gun importers looking to sell huge stockpiles of cheap, surplus firearms left over in Europe after World War II found a wide-open market for them in America, and the rest is gun industry history.” southdakotasearchlight.com/202…
As a South Dakota taxpayer, I’m opposed to taking funds from the gun industry simply because I don’t want to help them advertise and sell more of their lethal product.
![Screenshot of an excerpt from Section 5, Discussion:
In response to the research questions posed in Section II, we find that identifier style significantly affects time and visual effort needed to correctly detect identifiers constructed from a phrase. The underscore style is significantly faster and positively influences the dependent variables. In the Binkley et al. study [4], Phrase Length did not interact with Style, however we find such an interaction in our analysis. The common theme in both experiments is that camel-cased identifiers take longer than underscored ones (13.5% in the previous study and 20% in this study) overall. In the Binkley et al. study, higher accuracy was found for camel-cased identifiers, however, in our study, all (except one) subjects answered correctly on all questions making accuracy comparisons irrelevant.
In our study, no interaction effects were found between the Experience secondary factor and the independent variable Style. The previous study found Training (vis-à-vis Experience in our study) to significantly interact with Style affecting the time to find an identifier. Their findings indicate that subjects trained in the camel-case style take less time to identify a camel-cased identifier than an underscore identifier.](https://fedi.ml/photo/preview/640/684070 "Screenshot of an excerpt from Section 5, Discussion:
In response to the research questions posed in Section II, we find that identifier style significantly affects time and visual effort needed to correctly detect identifiers constructed from a phrase. The underscore style is significantly faster and positively influences the dependent variables. In the Binkley et al. study [4], Phrase Length did not interact with Style, however we find such an interaction in our analysis. The common theme in both experiments is that camel-cased identifiers take longer than underscored ones (13.5% in the previous study and 20% in this study) overall. In the Binkley et al. study, higher accuracy was found for camel-cased identifiers, however, in our study, all (except one) subjects answered correctly on all questions making accuracy comparisons irrelevant.
In our study, no interaction effects were found between the Experience secondary factor and the independent variable Style. The previous study found Training (vis-à-vis Experience in our study) to significantly interact with Style affecting the time to find an identifier. Their findings indicate that subjects trained in the camel-case style take less time to identify a camel-cased identifier than an underscore identifier.")
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