I got interesting news from the fedora accessibility room today! this concerns blind and visually impaired #linux users exclusively, however:
For a bit of time, specifically pipewire >=1.4, one can start pipewire as root. That includes the regular daemon and the alsa layer, because jack emulation is a library loaded inside programs. Anyway, more recently than that, pipewire-pulse got the ability to be launched via root, as a system service:
I'm not sure if ubuntu can use any of this yet, I suppose not, but most other distros which aren't debian based should be able to do so, for example arch, gentoo, probably nix and fedora starting with 42. This means that your system can start talking much, much sooner without the use of scripts, as long as you enable the system services instead of the user ones, or well, apparently the user units don't conflict, weird as that might sound. Either way, the same security is achieved, because who cares if root apps can listen to your microphone, the battle is lost if those apps are already root anyway!
In particular, this means that one can start espeakup with the system and it'll speak as soon as possible. Not in the initramfs, not at the enter decryption key prompt, but that's still huge progress in case your system crashes and so on.
What do y'all think, does this change anything, or it's still the same for you because you use scripts anyway, or because your systems rarely crash in such a way where that'd be required?
hotplug, what's the issue with hotplugging, it always worked here. Yeah, I believe all affected services have system variants, however user units don't conflict with the system ones, so probably it's fine, for our use case, to run wireplumber as user, except indeed in the case that the user session crashed and whatnot
There is hope with systemd-homed that we can do the encryption on a per-user basis so you'll be able to have voice/input assistants before any password is necessary.
There is also work to make virtual terminals done in user-space w/ a minimal kiosk-mode wayland compositor which would allow for a11y even on a "VT".
I actually hope to make Ptyxis work like that for Fedora in the not-distant future.
yes, from what I know, that's already a thing, technically. You can install it with orca enabled, then press alt+windows+s on the login screen to turn it on, and maybe again in the desktop? not sure. But yeah, definitely something that can be done, something I talked about with them before. No usb audio recognised and such, yeah, now that's a huge issue, that requires some serious troubleshooting. Maybe post about it in the a11y room, or in fedora's general support channel?
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Ghostty will soon be visible to accessibility tooling on macOS. This is increasingly important in the world of AI since this means that tools like ChatGPT, Claude, etc. can now read Ghostty's screen contents too (with permission). This feature is also relatively rare!
Only the built-in Terminal, iTerm2, and Warp also support this. Kitty, Alacritty, and others are invisible to a11y on macOS.
Beyond the screen contents, Ghostty's structure is also visible, navigable, and resizable such as its split as can be seen in the attached video. Ghostty and iTerm2 are the only terminals that expose structure too (splits, tabs).
This is a v1 implementation that is primarily read-only. I plan on iterating and improving a11y interactions in future versions.
@miki I’m not totally sure. Right now our behavior mostly mimics iTerm. It’s admittedly not optimized for humans right now and more for AI (I note that in the PR), but the foundational work is all the same. It’s just all the last mile to get to the next spot.
My thinking thoigh was to break down the terminal into more accessibility groups e.g per command then per N lines of output, and notify AX framework that new data exists.
Autoreading on Mac is though (see that writeup I made on Github at one point) because Voice Over has no built-in queuing mechanism, and you really need one in a terminal. This is not a problem on any other platform, most screen readers let you decide whether you want new speech to interrupt all existing utterances or to queue up.
This means you basically need to handle speech yourself (Mac OS and all other platforms have APIs for that and they're decent), but that opens another can of worms, as then you need a way to manage speech preferences somehow.
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NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2025.1 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download. We encourage all users to upgrade to this version. This release introduces NVDA Remote Access, provides speech, braille, OCR & Office improvements, Native selection in Chrome & edge
So, there still never was any public statement (I have seen, subscribed to mail and Mastodon) on why the updater has no startup sound anymore. I think it was useful.
@Aryan @jonathan859 There is an issue which we will talk about more in due course - but there is a reason for it (no it's not that we didn't like the sound)
@jonathan859 @Aryan It's only while you fire up the installer - the regular startup sound when you start NVDA itself is still there - that's the one you hear more often :)
@Aryan @jonathan859 Maybe there could be an option for the end user to bring the sound back themselves. Personally, i liked it, and if yall released the high quality version, i would use it for that.
@lightweight That would be fantastic - I know there have been varoius efforts over the years - blinux and vinux come to mind although I must admit I haven't looked lately at what might be current
to me, it feels like the sort of 'digital public infrastructure' thing (i.e. for the greater good) that governments should be funding. And whose code should be openly licensed so that no one who needs it has to do without.
Can someone please tell me what native selection mode actually does? I figure it could help me select photos so I can download them or something but it doesn't seem to be able to do that.
@rooktallon Normally when you select text on the web with NVDA (shift+arrows etc), it takes it from NVDA's virtual buffer, which ONLY contains text, so you lose formatting, images, etc. Native selection picks up everything: text, formatting, links, images etc. See download.nvaccess.org/releases… in the user guide for more details.
Note if you JUST want to save an image, you can usually do that by moving to it (G) then open the context menu and choose "Save image as"
@FreakyFwoof if you copy a configuration with autoconnect in remote set up to the secure screen thingy it worked with the old addon, so presumably it's still available in some form.
@cachondo Very, as those didn't break for me. I've just updated four machines, and all were successful. And I found a very naughty way of updating from old remote to new remote, without touching the other machine. Not recommended if you don't like ini files.
@FreakyFwoof ignore me, my bad. it's because I was using an addon I hadn't updated that James Scholes sent me, which cycles through the modes rather than just doing previous and next, which IMHO makes far more sense. But I'd forgotten I'd reassigned it before upgrading on this machine.
@FreakyFwoof ironically I've assigned the cycle gesture to both page up and down, to replicate the previous/next behaviour. But it does mean when I'm hopping between terminals and browse mode documents I don't need to remember which one I pressed last.
@cachondo @FreakyFwoof Why should you ever have to change that setting? Can you give me some examples including what terminal program you're using, because it should be automatic.
@tspivey I hop between wsl, powershell, VS code and a couple of browser windows and sometimes whatever logic keeps track doesn't seem to work. i.e. I can't review output in wsl with NVDA+up/down without switching mode if I've been using the same keys to review the screen of a windows dialog or the document from a browser. It's not often, but I do sometimes need to manually adjust the mode.
@cachondo It's nice they retained the sounds I made for the remote addon in core now, makes me feel like I actually contributed to something I use daily.
@cachondo That's what I've tried to do for 22 years of sound-design. I have one very important rule which is that a sound should not exceed standard speech volume. If it does, or if it's too jarring, it's the wrong sound for the job, unless the job actually calls for that kind of thing. Never been my bag though. I don't like sounds that pop out at the user like that. Never have.
@FreakyFwoof @cachondo NVDA's had a visual logo change since 2007 but by default the sounds haven't changed. I really do think something should be done about that... again.
Heheh, although I didn't create those new sounds, I did have some influence over which ones were chosen and how they should sound. But surely you remember the pain when we changed these briefly? I don't think anyone wants to go back there.
@jcsteh @KaraLG84 @FreakyFwoof I don't object to them specifically, just their volume. Especially when using NVDA on a computer that isn't your own, often with internal speakers that are subpar, They blare out in a frustrating fashion to my mind.
@cachondo @KaraLG84 @FreakyFwoof The prevailing argument against the new sounds, interestingly enough, was that some users with hearing impairments found them hard to hear and/or distinguish.
@cachondo @KaraLG84 @FreakyFwoof To be clear, I meant I had some influence over the choice of the new sounds from Andre and Kara. I wasn't involved with the creation of the very original sounds. I did create the spelling error, suggestions opened and suggestions closed sounds, though.
@FreakyFwoof @cachondo @KaraLG84 The short of it is that some things are really difficult to change. As another example, we've actually had several conversations over the years about changing the name NVDA. It's not an ideal name in a lot of ways: hard for people to remember, not catchy, etc. But changing it would break the world, hahaha.
@jcsteh @FreakyFwoof @cachondo @KaraLG84 The biggest problem with the name NVDA is that it's also the stock ticker symbol for Nvidia, which breaks SEO.
I would suggest NVDA be called Galaxias, to keep up with the sea animals theme. JAWS, Orca, Dolphin... You know. It's a fish genus full of endangered Australian species, and sounds beautiful.
@gabs @jcsteh @FreakyFwoof @KaraLG84 with the slight negative attribute that, for some text-to-speech systems, it sounds like "galaxy ass". Not the sort of thing you want to give a room full of easily-amused blind kids, perhaps?
1. Paste this 'waves2' folder into your NVDA instalation. 2. Open the folder, right-click on the bat file and run as administrator. 3. This will replace old sounds with custom sounds created by @KaraLG84 and I: dropbox.com/sh/9ickp7un73yzml9…
@FreakyFwoof are you running ditto now? So much stuff on my clipboard. It's really naughty and bad hygiene, but also stupidly easy to pop it up and paste something reusable.
@tspivey @cachondo I just kind of roll with the 'If it ain't broke don't fix it' vibe. It has multiple letter navigation and I know what I need, so it works.
So, hopefully we'll be able to bring those sounds back one day - as an option for those who want them (along with the ability to change them still further if you choose)
Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe. There are many cases where a user may wish to modify the UX of NVDA i.e. via custom themes. Common items proposed include: Sound profi...
@jcsteh @cachondo @FreakyFwoof Yeah. I remember you saying that the file sizes of mine were too large so I exported them at a lower bitrate and mono. That was something else some folk didn't like. I couldn't tell the difference.
@KaraLG84 @cachondo @FreakyFwoof Mmm, from memory, I also specified some requirements for them; two short chords, etc. Andre also made some startup sounds, trying to honour the old ones but more modern, but I wanted a complete break from that going to something more subtle. But many users didn't like it, so here we are. :)
@jcsteh @KaraLG84 @FreakyFwoof on the positive side, you can just replace the wavs and not worry about it. I wish NVDA looked for sounds in your appdata first, that'd save you having to fiddle after every upgrade, but I mean given what NVDA lets us do on the daily, it's a total nonissue
@cachondo @KaraLG84 @FreakyFwoof I've considered creating an extension point over the years which lets an add-on replace the sounds. That way, we could just bundle the new sounds as a single add-on in the store. But I just don't care enough and I have way too many other things to do, heh.
@jcsteh @cachondo @KaraLG84 @FreakyFwoof Especially since startup, at least, and possibly error, is loaded waaaaay before add-ons are even involved, no? Hell it might even happen before user config has been identified, and changing that would cause the start-up sound to have to be delayed, which might scare people or make them hammer it more for slower startups.
@x0 @jcsteh @cachondo @KaraLG84 @FreakyFwoof The way ZDSR solves this is it looks for sounds in 2 directories. First in the program's own sounds folder, but also it looks for any sound files that you paste into your user settings directory. If it finds a sound file in your user folder, including the startup sound, it'll be used over the built-in one. I wonder if this would be viable to do for NVDA, or for things like playing the startup sound that happens before it starts looking to see where the user settings are.
@pitermach @jcsteh @cachondo @KaraLG84 @FreakyFwoof Waves folder inside config would be way simpler than dealing with add-ons I'd think, so hopefully it wouldn't delay too long.
@x0 @pitermach @jcsteh @cachondo @KaraLG84 On a sort of different note, to have remote access on login, there needs to be way more granularity when copying settings over. You can copy settings and all addons, or... Nothing. That seems a bit strange, especially these days. I have a 3 gig addons folder all-told so having to go and remove 99% of that after install is not going to be doable by non-power users. I'm just brainstorming here but is it just me? Did I misunderstand how that button works? Is it settings + addons or nothing? Can you *only* copy settings avoiding addons?
@pitermach @x0 @jcsteh @cachondo @KaraLG84 @FreakyFwoof This would be great. I always replace the default sounds everytime NVDA updates because some sounds, particularly focus mode sound, can trigger some problems with my ears. These are things you never think about until it happens to you. Luckily replacing them is very easy, but not having to do it at all would be very nice.
@talon FWIW, you can completely nuke focus/browse mode sounds, I haaaate the focus mode sound too. Control NVDA B, uncheck "Audio indication of focus and browse modes". @pitermach @x0 @jcsteh @cachondo @KaraLG84 @FreakyFwoof @NVAccess
@KaraLG84 @cachondo @FreakyFwoof hahaha, was just digging through GitHub and found my final comment on this: Question: Umm, shouldn't we give another try to a different sound pack, in the hope that something more likeable might be produced? My answer: No alternatives have been proposed over the years that don't fail to meet the requirements in #7218 in some way. From the feedback received, there isn't even sufficient clear, common detail on exactly what might address user concerns. We can't hope to fix an issue if there isn't enough objective data about what might actually fix it. Finally, going around and around on this just isn't a good use of time given other priorities; we've already sunk a decent amount of time into this and gained a grand sum total of nothing useful. As I noted elsewhere, we are not going to consider this in the near term. github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issue…
Reported by KevanGC on 2010-10-30 10:51 There are sounds that are played with NVDA. For example, the sounds for focus and browse modes. They work fine, but I would like to be able to change those t...
@FreakyFwoof @KaraLG84 @jcsteh @cachondo A lot of it comes down to personal preference - the hearing issue for some users was compelling, but for a lot of users, it was simply what they prefer (and yes, many users preferred the new sounds, and many preferred the old sounds - since it wasn't overwhelming one way or the other, we felt the best option was to keep the status quo until we could give users more choice.
@FreakyFwoof @KaraLG84 @jcsteh @cachondo For what it's worth, given how much the program's UI and feature set have grown, such low-quality earcons make it feel like an cheap, low-quality application. Good sounds would really polish it from the user point-of-view.
@sclower @FreakyFwoof @KaraLG84 @cachondo To some extent, it's subjective. As I said earlier, we already tried to change this once and we got a lot of user backlash. Sometimes, you can't win, and in those cases, it's generally best just to leave it alone, especially when you don't have objective, evidence based data to back up your decision to change.
@FreakyFwoof @cachondo VS Code could definitely learn from that for its accessibility sounds / audio cues system. The "task completed" sound in particular feels more like beating a final boss in a video game, not something you hear every 5 seconds.
Hearing it after struggling with some non-working code for half an hour is definitely satisfying, though.
The increased responsiveness with SAPI and OneCore is lovely stuff! When I stream here I've been taking a productivity hit to have more human-sounding voices for the audience. Always assumed it was unfixable, but here we are, fixed! Thanks! :D
@Scott I'm guessing OneCore is still going to get laggy if you throw it a fairly long string, since OneCore can't stream in chunks, which is really damned annoying. I'm actually wondering whether it might be worth using the SAPI hack to access OneCore like we originaly considered. The downside is you can't access the faster speeds that way. With rate boost being available with SAPI5 now, that might be less of an issue, though I suspect that will be less intelligible for most people than the voice's own faster rates.
Congratulations on the release! Looking forward to updating when I can. Just a quick question, I already have the NVDA Remote Add-on installed, should I remove this before updating?
@CallumStoneman It will get disabled when you update. You will need to go into NVDA's Remote Access settings to enable the (new) feature and then you should be able to use it again. Broadly similar to the old add-on, but some things may be slightly different. Here is the user guide section on it: download.nvaccess.org/releases…
@mhussain If you've got the RC installed, you're on the "beta / RC" channel, so NVDA won't update to 2025.1 (stable) but you will automatically update to the next beta we put out (eg 2025.2 Beta 1) - if you'd like to install NVDA 2025.1 (stable), you can run the launcher from either the release announcement or the download page: nvaccess.org/download/ (that will put you back on the "Stable" channel, so you won't be notified about the next beta, but you'll likely see it here first anyway!)
@mhussain Not a failure, just you're on a different update path with the RC install (hopefully I explained it in my last message, but happy to try to clarify if needed!)
Nice release! I've been testing it for personal use since the changes were on alpha and I'm glad to be able to use it for a11y testing now. Kudos from Brazil!
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What bullshitery, Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer licenses have a limit, was just told that I've hit my max registered licenses, very sad, right away, just removed the add-on. Looks like back to the cracked Vocalizer we go, since they don't even have a portal where you can reset your license, wow. Here I had thought Tiflo got better, but nope. (Still sent them an e-mail to the address my license came from and I sent proof of purchase for the CF one, we'll ssee if it's one of those no-response ones, just listed as tiflotecnia@tiflotecnia.com.) Can someone scan through their documentation and tell me if they reference anywhere a line about a license limit, needing to deauthorize a license to get the counter lowered, ETC? Because I sure ain't seeing it. tiflotecnia.com/documentation.… Update: OK, that e-mail does work! FYI, they track your machine name, internal IP, and external IP of each machine. Very interesting, not entirely surprised this is kept to prevent sharing of licenses though.
@ginsenshi I think 5 or 6? I remember deactivating some machines, but over the last 2 years or so I had reinstalled Windows, changed two laptops, sometimes activated on virtual machines... Not really caring to always deactivate, but clearly it bit me in the ass at some point down the line.
I've never purchased voices since the code factory eloquence SAPI 5 voice started saying please register this product when I was demoing something for someone 10 years ago. Was connected to the internet at the time. Blind individuals obviously care way more about these voices than the companies that actually sell them do, so I'll use what the fans have made instead.
ok, I am not going to be happy if this is truely the case. I mean I get it a limit of three, or something, but if you can't give your key back, that is so 2010. and what if a key gets eaten before you can give it back? resetting it back to three is not that hard to do. now I get it, there might be people that abuse it, and ask for resets a lot, then you need to do it on a case by case thing or something, but if you can't give keys back, or reset the count, because your keys got eaten before you could give thatm back won't make me happy at all.
Even so, did Nuance sell the product itself to another company? Seems like the Vocalizer product from the main page links to some sort of AI company focusing mostly on cars.
that's honestly pretty insane they don't hae anywhere to remove a license to make room for another machine. What were they thinking? that someone would only use the add-on on one computer? The hell is wrong with people, man.
According to the offline activation JSON, max_activations is 3, but that is why I am always careful to activate and deactivate, as Tiflotecnia is just a license reseller or whatever the term is. I don't trust Cerence at all, hence my carefulness. That said though, I bought the license simply to have a legit way of using a Vietnamese voice before, of course, RHVoice came out with a superior offering.
@twynn Much as it sucks, I can't blame Tiflotecnia. From what I understand about Nuance (and I doubt anything changed with the split to Cerence), they basically had a contractual requirement which effectively stipulated that resellers were entirely responsible for copy protection, and if any unauthorised copying was discovered, the reseller would be held entirely responsible, including financial damages. When you're confronted with a contractual requirement like that from a company the size of Nuance, you don't take it lightly.
Hoping my Tiflotecnia Vocalizer issues will get solved today, I have 3 machines with my desktop, HP laptop, Asus laptop. So that's it, no work machine getting Vocalizer now. Ah well. They were not the ones to pay for it anyway, I'll just get them to invoice a license for me if I really needed to use it for work. Bye bye Vocalizer on Virtual Mac OS either, since that would count as a 4th machine. Argh. Guess I'll need to buy a second 3-pack license if I want it on more machines like that, what can I say, I just love computers. I sleep with 2 of them under the bed, 4 or 5 in storage bins like my old Macbook Air, so it's quite easy to hit that 3-machine ceiling for me.
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For NVDA users: the Tiflotecnia voices (Cerence, formerly Vocalizer) have been updated to be compatible with NVDA 2025.1 RC 1. This ppackage is not free for new purchasers. tiflotecnia.com/
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in reply to the esoteric programmer • • •There is hope with systemd-homed that we can do the encryption on a per-user basis so you'll be able to have voice/input assistants before any password is necessary.
There is also work to make virtual terminals done in user-space w/ a minimal kiosk-mode wayland compositor which would allow for a11y even on a "VT".
I actually hope to make Ptyxis work like that for Fedora in the not-distant future.
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