The greatest trick the devil ever pulled ... was convincing internet communities to switch from email lists / IRC / another open standard to Slack / Discord. The latest example of a “it's only free while we say it's free" is CNCF’s / Kubernetes's Slack - github.com/kubernetes/communit… - who it appears have *4 days* to backup their history (for a server with 100,000s of users)
Neither Slack nor Discord are reasonable, serious, professional, options for open community discussion. They are either too expensive, and/or involve inappropriate advertising. And who knows when Discord will start pulling this kind of behaviour, too, requiring large communities to pay?
The problem is today when anyone says "can't we just use an email list?" they are pooh-pooh'ed as being horribly out of touch. Hence why even the linked FAQ describes Discord as the only likely exit plan for Kubernetes. What a mess.
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miki
in reply to Mike Roberts • • •The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing FOSS project owners that they need no stinkin' product managers or UX designers.
People choose Discord / Slack for a reason. Until we understand and address that reason, it's just going to be an endless string of such platforms, one after another.
If we had a single, cross-platform app for group messaging that was super reliable, had all the same features and was just as easy to use, this wouldn't be a problem.
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