keep on the great work! you did great things for deltachat desktop and webxdc. therefore i am sure you are the perfect guy for the tauri experiments and moves 👌🚀
not yet ready for daily use but basic functionality like sending, receiving messages and files and html emails work. notable things that are still in development are notifications, tray icon and webxdc.
Also at this point in time you need to compile from source as there are no "releases" yet.
For now it contains only the most basic functionality - so more for the fellow developers to try out or/and review my code 😉. That being said, it is already surprisingly usable.
How to build/try it
you need rust, nodejs, pnpm and maybe also tauri dependencies. (see https://tauri.app/start/prerequisites/)
pnpm i
pnpm dev:tauri
Features:
What already works:
basic features
...
#Electron vs #Tauri in #deltachat_desktop - 📦 download size: 151mb vs 28mb - 💾 size on disk: 340mb vs 40mb - 🧠 RAM usage: 292mb vs 209mb (after fresh start)
Though take it with a grain of salt: #deltatauri does not yet have features implemented and my sample size is just one here 😅
good question, thanks for reporting the issue. A friend recently build on arch and it worked for them. Either I introduced a bug in a recent commit, or you may have an environment variable missing. Which commit are you on and which linux desktop do you use?
@treefit I am using gnome 48. I guess I might be missing something as I can reproduce it with various head positions e.g. 364932abf or 76ca7442e. I am using rustc 1.85.1 through rustup 1.28.1 I am trying to follow arch packaging guidelines. I am exporting this variables:
@pvagner so it fails to find the log file that should have been created by the tauri logger plugin. Maybe try to create a new folder somewhere then pointing then env var `$XDG_DATA_HOME` to that directory?
Could be a race or a problem in where log files are created. I couldn't reproduce your issue yet.
@treefit Hmm, I can't get it to work no matter what I'm trying. When I have started my $XDG_DATA_HOME environment variable was not set meaning it should fall back to the default ~/.local/share as per the XDG spec. I have added it into my /etc/profile.d/0000-xdgdirs.sh file, rebooted, rebuilt delta-tauri with its dependencies but I'm still getting the same error. Printing $XDG_DATA_HOME now gives me /home/myusername/.local/share, the directory does exist with 0755 permissions and it contains nested directories created by other apps on my system. Is there a way to find out what the file path and the file name of the resulting log file should be?
@pvagner I think the best way to go about this would be to reproduce this on a vm or get a step by step list that I can follow to reproduce your environment.
@treefit Finally I'm making some progress. It looks as if something is protecting my $HOME/.local/share folder from writing. Folder is created, empty log file is created too but deltachat-tauri can't write to it. Permissions and ownership are okay. Manually writing to that file using whatewer text editor such as nano or gedit is working fine. Changing the location is also working fine for deltachat-tauri such as
@treefit Another take on this. I can build the package in a clean chroot. It builds fine however does not work when running on my laptop. I am suspecting I have some kind of weird configuration here and I can't track it down. It looks as if tauri runtime capabilities are not setup corectly or something to that effect. Logging plugin correctly resolves the path but ability to write in there is not granted. My steps are like this:
# Prepare the container as root so permissions won't get messed up
pacstrap -K -c ~/BuildContainer base base-devel curl wget webkit2gtk-4.1 file openssl appmenu-gtk-module libappindicator-gtk3 librsvg rust pnpm nodejs git cargo-tauri python xdg-utils
systemd-nspawn -D ~/BuildContainer
# inside the container
git clone https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-desktop.git
cd deltachat-desktop
export RUSTUP_TOOLCHAIN=stable
cargo fetch --locked --target "$(rustc -vV | sed -n 's/host: //p')"
pnpm install
export CARGO_TARGET_DIR=target
CFLAGS+=" -ffat-lto-objects" # otherwise can't link openssl
NO_STRIP=true pnpm --filter @deltachat-desktop/target-tauri tauri build
# then transfer the resulting appimage to the desktop system and experience the fun
@treefit Woohoo! I've found a hacky workaround and I can finally run the Delta Tauri on my system. It turns out writing into the log file is the only thing I find is broken for me. Creating the account and using the delta tauri for chatting is working so far. However as compared to the deltachat-desktop, the electron version, I am experiencing an accessibility issue. When a conversation is active the chat input text entry is stealing the focus and I can't use tab or shift+tab to navigate. Even if I press ctrl+f to focus the search field, pressing tab to navigate to the list of conversations, I can't continue the navigation and focus is placed into the chat input. Running 1.58.1 both tauri and electron versions.
Oh look, it's December 1. Time to pull out a silly little MIDI of The Twelve Days of Christmas again. Arranger still unknown. As played by Nuked SC-55 with the SC-55mkI ROM set (the mkII doesn't play the explosion reliably for some reason). MIDI: drive.google.com/uc?id=1-8tW2P…. It turns out this wasn't created on this day in 1993. A collection called "XMASMIDS.ZIP" seems to be the most definitive source, and in this collection, it's called 06TWELV&.MID and has a timestamp of November 15, 1993 at 9:35 am. The earliest timestamp I can find for the collection itself is December 29, 1994. Full XMASMIDS.ZIP collection: ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sounds/mid….
We are not all in the same boat .... This is as true for security and feature design of messengers as it is in the larger political happenings. Often security hackers and enthusiasts living in personally safe environments are offering strong opinions on what is important for everybody in repressive situations without engaging with people on the ground, and just looking from some abstract viewpoint. Via @streetartutopia (worth a follow)
Welcome to December, friends and followers of my nonsense A fairly typical day around here for the most part. The daughter decided that she should read us a Peppa Pig story at midnight, so 'twas a slightly later start than expected. Her bedroom has been redone as a holiday gift and she's now in there. She went for a white and blue theme and has a double bed for the first time in her life, so she's pretty happy about that. She has a festive afternoon at Laser Quest to look forward to, in which I hope to sit and drink coffee and read.
The evening will be TV, prep for the working week, and a start on our more adult advent calendars.
To answer the curious minds on the adult calendars, The good wife bought me cider. 24 500ml bottles from Lilley's, which has become an annual staple. Pineapple yesterday. DeLish it was too.
She, meanwhile, received a bespoke collection of massage oils. I set up an appointment with a perfumer to source a range of complementary scent diffusing fragrences. Last night she had a neck and shoulder massage with a base of sandlewood and something I can't remember and whatever was in that little misting bottle - sorry, memory also gone on its name - really changed it up.
Not sure if we're going full-back or legs tonight, but the whole array of little bottles and the number of combinations is going to be great to explore throughout December.
@archos Ahoj, včera jsem byl mimo a koukám, že proběhl přesun instance na nový server. Vše jede jako kule, jen nevidím u některých lidí avatar, to se ještě sesynchronizuje, nebo mám něco udělat na mojí straně? Díky 👍
Give a shot to proton VPN with their Black Friday deals (up to 70% off): https://protonvpn.com/TheLinuxEXPGrab a brand new laptop or desktop running Linux: h...
Doing some software archaeology with @jimmac today, looking at webOS on the Touchpad and Palm Pre.
It's very cool to see how far ahead of its time this was, and also how many elements from it survived in GNOME in some form! And of course, the multitasking is still unmatched by any more recent mobile platform :)
🎉 Představujeme Wallabag na OSCloud! 🧾 Máte rádi zajímavé články, ale nemáte čas si je přečíst hned? Wallabag je perfektní řešení! Umožňuje ukládat webové stránky, články nebo příspěvky a číst je později, bez rušivých reklam a v přehledném formátu.
Co Wallabag umí? ✅ Ukládat články jedním kliknutím. ✅ Přistupovat k obsahu z mobilu, tabletu nebo počítače. ✅ Stahovat články offline a číst je bez internetu. ✅ Otevřený a bezpečný – vaše data jsou jen vaše!
Vyzkoušejte Wallabag ještě dnes a mějte své oblíbené články vždy po ruce! 🚀 Více informací zatím jen na docs.oscloud.cz/apps/wallabag/
Heres' a strange piano idea I just did in Ableton. Recorded me playing the Spitfire Piano that comes in Sweet, then just added like six Grain Delay plug-ins on a send and messed with settings. Also tried Ableton's Echo, but removed that by mistake and just went with Grain Delay instead. Sounds kinda cool if you ask me.
Bro I really wanna get all these sounds from Sweet as well at some point. When I start apprenticeship I'll just probably throw the money out for it and a nice midi controller. Like I've always wanted to properly do some music, then I have no excuse to not.
This sounds like a really cool wind MIDI controller. I'm not a wind instrument player, other than a a bit of flute, but the description sounds quite cool! WARBL.xyz warbl.xyz/
WARBL is a USB MIDI wind controller designed to emulate traditional wind instruments like tinwhistle, Irish flute, Uilleann bagpipes, Great Highland bagpipes, and Gaita.
Ok the voice of David Woodbridge is back grin. First Episode of Woodys Weekly Wonderings (Triple-W) podcast is available. Interviews, demos, tips, etc still part of my iSee podcast feed. Enjoy. Woody. mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/hu4ui9…
Imagine you’re the most valuable company on Earth. Billions of dollars of cash on hand. Best engineers in the world. You could legitimately leave an impact on anything you work on. And one of the primary things you choose to focus on is stubbornly policing fucking game emulators. Like forget about whether it’s good or bad, it is just so unbelievably small minded. An Apple running on all 8 cylinders wouldn’t have time to give a shit about stuff like this.
Take a moment to wrap your head around the fact that Apple fought a multi-year court battle to try to prevent you from putting links in your app. I get that that may have significant revenue effects — but the point is that a company with Apple’s resources should have way more interesting and impactful ways of generating revenue. There is something deeply broken from a *creativity perspective* if “don’t let app devs talk to users” represents the state of the art in business strategy at Apple.
> Bluesky zatím nedosahuje popularity své zavedenější konkurence. Zatím má asi 22 milionů uživatelů. Konkurenční X přitom měsíčně aspoň jednou navštíví přes 600 milionů lidí.
December 1st! You know what that means. Show off your advent calendars! Or other non-denominational calendars full of stuff. I wanna see them!
Here is mine. Hubby filled it with #HazbinHotel cards. Also, one of my best friends made a personlized selection of 24 small surprise items. Can't wait 😊
(Hubby's getting #MtG cards. Kiddo is getting #Pokemon cards. We are a nerd family.)
Dopo il recente abbandono di Twitter da parte di NGI, ben sedici progetti Next Generation Internet (NGI) sono lieti di annunciare la transizione a @Mastodon e @PeerTube (sul nuovo canale @Next Generation Internet che raccoglierà i rispettivi materiali video), due piattaforme open source europee, per le loro esigenze di comunicazione e condivisione di contenuti. Questa mossa strategica è in linea con l'impegno di NGI nel promuovere un Internet che incarni i valori europei di fiducia, sicurezza e inclusione.
L'utilizzo di piattaforme sviluppate in Europa come Mastodon e PeerTube rafforza la sovranità digitale, assicurando che l'infrastruttura digitale europea sia basata su valori di apertura, collaborazione e rispetto dei diritti fondamentali. Questa transizione segna un passo significativo verso un Internet più incentrato sull'uomo, riflettendo la visione di NGI per un futuro digitale affidabile, aperto e inclusivo.
The NGI Evangelists Programme proudly introduces its third batch of inspiring individuals, following the impactful paths set by our previous evangelists.
It seems like our joint stand with @forgejo at #FOSDEM2025 has been accepted, thank you @fosdem!
For those of you that don't know, #FOSDEM is an annual conference for free and open source software taking place in Brussels. We'll be there throughout the event to exchange words and/or stickers with some of you.
Za mě naprostá pecka 👍 Mimo pár scén, dle mě poněkud přitažených za vlasy to bylo nabušené od první minuty do poslední. Bylo to silné, odvážné, smutné a lidské. #tipnaserial
As I just joined social.coop, it may be a good time to re-introduce myself.
I studied architecture and organization development, and work now at tangente.coop supporting community-led and non-speculative #cooperative #cohousing projects in #Spain.
Also experienced in sustainable and people-centered urban develoment, and urban #cycling #mobility.
I love and support #FLOSS #freesoftware, digital autonomy and libre culture in general.
in the next #ArcaneChat release: new option to control behavior of notifications of reactions and replies to your messages as well as the new mini-apps notifications in muted chats
don't lose important replies or reactions to your messages while keeping all the uninteresting chat flood/noise away 😌
LEGO interface panels are beautiful, iconic, and great for learning interface design basics. I bought 52 of them from BrickLink to explore the design, layout and organisation of complex interfaces.
LibreOffice 25.2 Alpha 1 is now available for testing! It's a mid-development snapshot, leading up to the final release planned for February 2025: qa.blog.documentfoundation.org… #foss #OpenSource
LibreOffice 25.2 will be released as final at the beginning of February, 2025 ( Check the Release Plan ) being LibreOffice 25.2 Alpha1 the first pre-release since the development of version 25.2 started in mid Juny, 2024.
To reduce having to search the web each time, I added a bunch of frequently asked questions about #systemd such as using journalctl and systemctl in a more efficient way.
I don't know what possessed me to do this, but I did it, so there.
I was just thinking of all the things that used to bring me joy that no longer do, for one reason or another. I then thought about scenarios where good things turn into nightmare fuel. As a result of all that, I loaded sound files of my grandmother's clock, which she gave me in 2015, striking the hours of 1 to 12, into my DAW, and lined them all up at exactly the point of the first chime. As each instance of the clock chiming moves away from the start position in the imperfect way that anything mechanical like this will never produce exactly the same result twice, it created some interesting effects, so I screwed this up more by panning each track out, then manipulated the rate of each instance over time at a different point, then I washed the whole thing in far too much reverb and some LFO-based effects. Gave myself the creaps, honestly. So now you can experience it, too.
As there seems to have been another uptick in participation here, a quick summary #introduction (fuller one is pinned). I'm a UK-based (Londoner now living on #isleofwight) folklorist. Started off interested in #folksong, spread to wider interest in #folk #folklore.
Currently on the Council of the Folklore Society, Associate Editor of its journal Folklore, & on the editorial board of #FolkMusic Journal. Until end of year I'm Research Fellow on #FolkloreWithoutBorders research network on EDI in British folkloristics.
I've written on #ghostlore, folklore about #rats, #cannibalism at sea, tongue twisters, popular representation of folkloristics. Increasingly working on folklore's history. Shiny research profile here: researchprofiles.herts.ac.uk/e…
Hi Mastodon. I'm Mick, a wildlife guide based in Granada region of #Spain. I'm looking forward to connect with fellow birders, botanists & entomologists throughout the Fediverse.
Regularly out in the countryside of Andalucia & further afield posting info & images about my adventures & encounters with the natural world.
Here's a photo of a close encounter with Iberian Lynx I took a few years ago.
![A screenshot of deltachat tauri.
Shows Chatlist and a chat with the following conversation (interface is set to German, so I translate it here):
[Info message: Today]
[Info message: From this point onwards messages are guaranteed to be E2E encrypted, tab here to learn more]
B: Hello 👋 [hearth emoji reaction]
A: Hello my friend, writing here from Delta Chat Tauri [rocket emoji reaction]
B:🤩
B: Image with deltachat and tauri logo connected by a line from which an arrow extends to the delta tauri project logo (which is the deltachat logo with the white border replaced by a gradient that was based on the tauri logo color)](https://fedi.ml/photo/preview/640/613515 "A screenshot of deltachat tauri.
Shows Chatlist and a chat with the following conversation (interface is set to German, so I translate it here):
[Info message: Today]
[Info message: From this point onwards messages are guaranteed to be E2E encrypted, tab here to learn more]
B: Hello 👋 [hearth emoji reaction]
A: Hello my friend, writing here from Delta Chat Tauri [rocket emoji reaction]
B:🤩
B: Image with deltachat and tauri logo connected by a line from which an arrow extends to the delta tauri project logo (which is the deltachat logo with the white border replaced by a gradient that was based on the tauri logo color)")
trochu jsem to vylepšil
bjoern
in reply to treefit • • •m_u_v
in reply to treefit • • •treefit
in reply to m_u_v • • •@m_u_v I'll post the branch link as soon as I have all the basic functionality implemented and it is worth to be tested ;)
My time plan is to reach that goal before the end of the month.
treefit
in reply to treefit • • •tauri version source code is meanwhile available on github.com/deltachat/deltachat…
not yet ready for daily use but basic functionality like sending, receiving messages and files and html emails work. notable things that are still in development are notifications, tray icon and webxdc.
Also at this point in time you need to compile from source as there are no "releases" yet.
deltachat-desktop/packages/target-tauri at main · deltachat/deltachat-desktop
GitHubtreefit
in reply to treefit • • •Code for #deltatauri is now public!
For now it contains only the most basic functionality - so more for the fellow developers to try out or/and review my code 😉. That being said, it is already surprisingly usable.
github.com/deltachat/deltachat…
Thanks to #nlnet & #ngi0_entrust for funding this project: nlnet.nl/project/DeltaTauri/.
#deltachat #deltachat_desktop #tauri
Tauri Edition by Simon-Laux · Pull Request #4462 · deltachat/deltachat-desktop
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treefit
in reply to treefit • • •so far it was comparably straight forward to port delta chat desktop from #electron to #tauri
treefit
in reply to treefit • • •#Electron vs #Tauri in #deltachat_desktop
- 📦 download size: 151mb vs 28mb
- 💾 size on disk: 340mb vs 40mb
- 🧠 RAM usage: 292mb vs 209mb (after fresh start)
Though take it with a grain of salt: #deltatauri does not yet have features implemented and my sample size is just one here 😅
kissiel
in reply to treefit • • •divergency
in reply to treefit • • •treefit
in reply to divergency • • •ForgeFed
forgefed.orgPeter Vágner
in reply to treefit • •I am trying to build #deltatauri on ArchLinux and I have issues running the resulting binary.
Upon launch it prints:
I am removing all the targets except of deb, then building like normal and moving files into place.
Can you please think of where I am failing likelly? I can run binaries built elsewhere so I guess webkit-gtk and other dependencies are installed.
treefit
in reply to Peter Vágner • • •Which commit are you on and which linux desktop do you use?
Peter Vágner
in reply to treefit • •I am using rustc 1.85.1 through rustup 1.28.1
I am trying to follow arch packaging guidelines.
I am exporting this variables:
And also I have experimented with
treefit
in reply to Peter Vágner • • •@pvagner so it fails to find the log file that should have been created by the tauri logger plugin. Maybe try to create a new folder somewhere then pointing then env var `$XDG_DATA_HOME` to that directory?
Could be a race or a problem in where log files are created. I couldn't reproduce your issue yet.
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Peter Vágner
in reply to treefit • •When I have started my $XDG_DATA_HOME environment variable was not set meaning it should fall back to the default ~/.local/share as per the XDG spec.
I have added it into my /etc/profile.d/0000-xdgdirs.sh file, rebooted, rebuilt delta-tauri with its dependencies but I'm still getting the same error.
Printing $XDG_DATA_HOME now gives me /home/myusername/.local/share, the directory does exist with 0755 permissions and it contains nested directories created by other apps on my system.
Is there a way to find out what the file path and the file name of the resulting log file should be?
treefit
in reply to Peter Vágner • • •Peter Vágner
in reply to treefit • •It looks as if something is protecting my $HOME/.local/share folder from writing. Folder is created, empty log file is created too but deltachat-tauri can't write to it. Permissions and ownership are okay. Manually writing to that file using whatewer text editor such as nano or gedit is working fine.
Changing the location is also working fine for deltachat-tauri such as
Peter Vágner
in reply to Peter Vágner • •I can build the package in a clean chroot. It builds fine however does not work when running on my laptop.
I am suspecting I have some kind of weird configuration here and I can't track it down.
It looks as if tauri runtime capabilities are not setup corectly or something to that effect.
Logging plugin correctly resolves the path but ability to write in there is not granted.
My steps are like this:
Peter Vágner
in reply to Peter Vágner • •It turns out writing into the log file is the only thing I find is broken for me.
Creating the account and using the delta tauri for chatting is working so far.
However as compared to the deltachat-desktop, the electron version, I am experiencing an accessibility issue. When a conversation is active the chat input text entry is stealing the focus and I can't use tab or shift+tab to navigate. Even if I press ctrl+f to focus the search field, pressing tab to navigate to the list of conversations, I can't continue the navigation and focus is placed into the chat input.
Running 1.58.1 both tauri and electron versions.