Hmm, encoding #braille into music tones has recently been featured in the #braille200. I think it's nice for fun. Still I'm wondering if some of you might be able to understand it in real time.
Ummm, I have updated to @Thunderbird: Free Your Inbox daily 137 20250214 and subsequently 20250216 and I have embarassing issue with it. I can't send emails. When pressing ctrl+enter or corresponding item from the File menu, nothing happens. I'm on linux.
Let's look into the bugzilla if someone else has found it too.
Let's look into the bugzilla if someone else has found it too.
I'd like to create #wireguard tunnel between two natted machines. I'm fine with using an intermediate third machine for IP addresses and ports discovery.
The idea outlined in this article sounds verry appealing to me.
However I'm wondering is there something that is developed further beyond a proof of concept I might look at instead? I know there is #tailscale. That sounds too much for me unfortunatelly as I do need to register with them and similar. Thus I'm exploring if there is something I can self host.
jordanwhited.com/posts/wiregua…
WireGuard Endpoint Discovery and NAT Traversal using DNS-SD
In this post we will set out to establish a WireGuard tunnel between dynamically addressed peers that are both sitting behind a NAT.www.jordanwhited.com
You can place it yourself.
Headscale / ionscale/ netbird etc
However, this will require a separate own server.
Headscale / ionscale/ netbird etc
However, this will require a separate own server.
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@Denis Evsyukov Thanks for the hints. Initially it appears Headscale is most simple out of these so I'll try to use it in the following days.
There is also ZeroTier ( zerotier.com ).
ZeroTier | Global Networking Solution for IoT, SD-WAN, and VPN
ZeroTier is the best global networking solution and overlay for IoT infrastructure, SD-WAN, VPN, and remote access.ZeroTier
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Dear friends, #screenreader users, #blind users and #accessibility professionals in particular.
Are you using chat over traditional email as provided by #DeltaChat / #DeltaLab / #ArcaneChat?
I like it uses traditional email infrastructure, is federated, supports end to end encryption, rich content including audio / voice messages. I have even recognized @adb has implemented screen reader accessibility specific features into the android app.
However I have quickly tried electron based app on linux with orca screen reader, exchanged a few messages back and fort between two of my personal accounts using the DeltaChat app and thunderbird and I haven't found the user experience verry appealing. I can't understand how to effectivelly navigate in the list of conversations and list of messages.
Therefore I would be interested to hear a few comments from people knowing this platform better. How accessible is it on different platforms?
On the desktop is the electron based app a prefered choice?
Also some other questions. For the best experience, do I need a new email address or can I use my existing self-hosted one I have already configured in thunderbird?
Ffeel free to point me to a FAQ, some up to date introductory documentation if you think my questions don't make much sense please.
Are you using chat over traditional email as provided by #DeltaChat / #DeltaLab / #ArcaneChat?
I like it uses traditional email infrastructure, is federated, supports end to end encryption, rich content including audio / voice messages. I have even recognized @adb has implemented screen reader accessibility specific features into the android app.
However I have quickly tried electron based app on linux with orca screen reader, exchanged a few messages back and fort between two of my personal accounts using the DeltaChat app and thunderbird and I haven't found the user experience verry appealing. I can't understand how to effectivelly navigate in the list of conversations and list of messages.
Therefore I would be interested to hear a few comments from people knowing this platform better. How accessible is it on different platforms?
On the desktop is the electron based app a prefered choice?
Also some other questions. For the best experience, do I need a new email address or can I use my existing self-hosted one I have already configured in thunderbird?
Ffeel free to point me to a FAQ, some up to date introductory documentation if you think my questions don't make much sense please.
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The accessibility of the desktop version of Delta Chat is frankly quite terrible right now, I agree. But me and @treefit started working on this a few months back. Expect further improvements in the next months.
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and for Desktop there is also @deltatouch, and I think I've heard of some CLI version. But the Electron version is the "main" one, yes.
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@WofWca Thanks for mentioning DeltaTouch. It may not yet be suitable for use with a screenreader at the moment, however.
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@WofWca Looking more it looks to me you are working on some amazing accessibility related improvements. While I was testing a few weeks ago I had issues navigating the lists. hmm, perhaps I need to figure out how to build with this PR and see for my-self if it might be related. github.com/deltachat/deltachat…
Edit: oh, there are more PRs resolving keyboard navigation and accessibility related issues. It's really right about perfect time I have discovered this thing.
Thanks and keep up the great work please
for a specific MR you can download a preview build that is linked it the bottom of the MR page.
Thanks! But we're still far from done.
Thanks! But we're still far from done.
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@WofWca So I have finally updated to the latest and greatest #deltachat desktop. And I must say I am really impressed.
Both lists, list of conversations and list of messages are now keyboard navigable.
The hint for the screen reader users is that not all of the screen readers may switch into focus mode automatically so once you do this manually you can enjoy the user experience the way it has been designed.
Also there are nice keyboard shortcuts e.g. ctrl+n for jumping into the input box, ctrl+k for search and more.
Now I do really need to explore more i.e. what about the encryption. Can I use my existing GPG key or add a subkey or is that handled transparently on the background? I need to figure out if I should create new email for chatting or use my primary email.
Still from the accessibility point of view we are really getting something usefull I think.
Both lists, list of conversations and list of messages are now keyboard navigable.
The hint for the screen reader users is that not all of the screen readers may switch into focus mode automatically so once you do this manually you can enjoy the user experience the way it has been designed.
Also there are nice keyboard shortcuts e.g. ctrl+n for jumping into the input box, ctrl+k for search and more.
Now I do really need to explore more i.e. what about the encryption. Can I use my existing GPG key or add a subkey or is that handled transparently on the background? I need to figure out if I should create new email for chatting or use my primary email.
Still from the accessibility point of view we are really getting something usefull I think.
Note to my-self and other people like me:
Read the #deltachat help at delta.chat/en/help it's all perfectly explained there in easy to follow language. It's even translated to various different languages already.
The number one answer for me is that there are #deltachat specific so called #chatmail servers suitable for anonymous instant messaging over email.
So eventhough I like to self host my emails, I think I'll go with existing #chatmail server at least initially.
Read the #deltachat help at delta.chat/en/help it's all perfectly explained there in easy to follow language. It's even translated to various different languages already.
The number one answer for me is that there are #deltachat specific so called #chatmail servers suitable for anonymous instant messaging over email.
So eventhough I like to self host my emails, I think I'll go with existing #chatmail server at least initially.
Delta Chat: FAQ
What is Delta Chat? Delta Chat is a reliable, decentralized and secure messaging app, available for mobile and desktop platforms. Delta Chat feels like Whatsapp or Telegram but you can also use and...delta.chat
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indeed, these days we recommend newcomers to use chatmail servers first and explore, also with friends, how things go and feel. Once interest is established it may be worth the effort to also run one or two simply be happy with the existing chatmail servers
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@devSJR If you have mostly or only "green-checkmarked" chats you can reconfigure your e-mail address to another server and then send a message to your contact which should update them. This will not migrate unencrypted or opportunistically encrypted chats, though, which is why we don't prominently recommend it. Another way is to create a new profile, and then add it to all relevant chats and remove the old profile. More cumbersome but also pretty failsafe.
There is one import difference you need to know:
* Chatmail account: you can reach all delta chat users
* Regular email account: you can reach delta chat users + classic email users
So if you use chatmail, you can not reach people who are not using delta chat.
another point:
If you do NOT use chatmail, you will not have push notifications if you are an iOS user.
It is possible for #chatmail users to communicate with classic email users who have published their public key.
You just have to do manual chatmail registration, save your login details and private key securely, and use it with something that supports #pgp like #Thunderbird or #Mailvelope.
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Very nice, glad to hear a confirmation that it's working from a real user!
We might need to investigate automatic focus mode switching.
@WofWca Perhaps making sure parent of those list items has an attribute role="list" or if you are sure everything inside a particular DOM subtree has logical keyboard focus handling perhaps role="application" on encompassing parent element would do the ttrick. However it really has to be considered visely as it makes it more difficult for screen reader users do read parts of the UI that should behave like a document content by lines, by words and similar.
Thank you, this is really helpful! I considered `role="application"` but wasn't sure about it. Will also need to see about `role="list"`.
If you have ever wondered how S.M.A.R.T. output of a failing hard drive looks like
# smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdb
smartctl 7.4 2023-08-01 r5530 [x86_64-linux-6.12.4-arch1-1] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-23, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Extended offline Completed: read failure 90% 29550 3432497913
# 2 Conveyance offline Completed: read failure 70% 29550 3432490825
Dear friends #blind athletes in particular. Do you know #Showdown Slovak Open is happening at the end of february 2025 again in Samorin? If you are playing showdown, take a look at the event details, the invitation and the entry form. ibsasport.org/event/showdown-s…
Woohoo! It's a pity I haven't tried the #tuba #fedi client built with #gnome technologies earlier. It's verry accessible with a #screenreader. I am running it on the desktop using the keyboard to navigate.
Nice article in czech describing latest advancemend in developing czech and slovak voices for #RHVoice portal-pelion.cz/rodina-zdarma…
Rodina zdarma dostupných českých a slovenských hlasů RHVoice se rozšiřuje - Pélion
Pravděpodobně už znáte český hlas Zdeněk, který po jeho zveřejnění představil v tomto článku Ondrej Rosík, sám autor prvního slovenského RHVoice hlasu Ondro. Zdeněk je první český hlas na platformě RHVoice.Lukáš Hosnedl (Pélion - Vzdělávací portál pro zrakově postižené)
Hello #accessibility experts and #screenReader users. I am trying to find out a wordpress addon that might provide self-hostable and screen reader accessible reservation system. The features I am looking for is ability to integrate this with google calendar or any other caldav based self-hostable calendaring solution. Email notifications for both visitors and administrators is a plus. I need this to be accessible to both visitors as well as administrators.
Also recently I think I have seen a mention of croutfunding campaign where the aim is to build open-source accessible booking system. I'd be happy to look at it too if you can remind me of it.
Also recently I think I have seen a mention of croutfunding campaign where the aim is to build open-source accessible booking system. I'd be happy to look at it too if you can remind me of it.
Pred pár dňami sme vďaka @Zvonimir Stanecic a ďalším dobrovoľníkom zverejnili prvý slovenský ženský hlas pre #rhvoice. Hlas dostal aj pekné netradičné meno Jasietka. K dispozícii sú hlasy pre #Windows #nvdasr #android aj #linux . Aktualizácie sa zároveň dočkala aj celková podpora pre slovenčinu, vrátane už skôr zverejneného slovenského hlasu Ondro. Ak potrebujete #tts #textToSpeech k čítaču obrazovky, na čítanie kníh, inštrukcie pre GPS navigáciu, pozrite si prosím podrobnosti na jednoduchom webe.
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Quite number of things have happened since I have mentioned my occassional usage of #emacS:
* @Termux is trying to update its compatibility with recent #android versions returning into the Google play in the process.
* speechd-el the app that acts as a built-in screen reader for emacs got some polishing and fixes recently.
* Touch and speech have recently released an update to Corvus, suite of assistive apps for #android that also feature great liblouis powered braille keyboard that can emulate alt, ctrl and shift keys allowing me to use emacs keybindings on the braille touch keyboard.
* I'm on holiday these days and I can benefit from having a screenreader accessible linux terminal with powerfull tools inside my pocket.
So here is a short article I wrote on the matter last week
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@Piciok Thanks for sharing the instructions. Now the voice output of Emacs also works on my Android smartphone. Together with the mobile Braille keyboard metabraille, this is very practical.
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@Oskar @Paweł Masarczyk Do you guys have more details about @Projekt Define Is it really this hardware mobile phone case with braille keyboard included? I know all the documentation is available online for the do it yourself project, but is there someone who is making these units? gitlab.com/metabraille/metabra…
@Oskar @Projekt Define @Paweł Masarczyk Can you please try to describe how it looks like? Is it built into the smartphone case? Is there a place to order it from? What's the price for an individual user? Does it use liblouis for the back translation from braille? I don't seem to be able to find out these details on the website or should I be looking at something else?
@define @Piciok Metabraille is built like a house with a roof. 8 buttons in the front and two buttons on the roof instead of windows. You hold the house with both hands between your palms and type with the fingers on the front and with your thumbs on the roof. It is like holding a keyboard upside down in the air with your palms and typing on the backside. 12 cm long, 10 cm width, 2.6 cm depth. it is a standalone device, not built in the smartphone case.
@Oskar @Projekt Define @Paweł Masarczyk Hmmm, while adopting we'll have to implement different braille codes. e.g. For some serious typing I'd like to have slovak braille code. Newertheless it sounds very interesting. With this keyboard can you fully operate your smartphone?
On iOS we have ISH which is an awesome piece of software. Its a full emulator of Linux kernel. Emulator, not a VM. Reading through its code is an adventure full of twists and turns, but very rewarding if you like such things.
Dear !Friendica Support I'm sometimes reading my #friendica timeline from the @Tusky app on #android.
I am having an issue that some parts of the timeline are not loaded into the @Tusky app at all.
I have figured out when replies are added into a thread, the post is being repositioned in the list of posts returned by the #Mastodon compatible API. @Tusky is not fetching older posts when the one that has already been requested is found while syncing new posts. That is causing gaps in my timeline I can read on the phone.
It really sounds complicated. Do you understand what's my issue?
I am having an issue that some parts of the timeline are not loaded into the @Tusky app at all.
I have figured out when replies are added into a thread, the post is being repositioned in the list of posts returned by the #Mastodon compatible API. @Tusky is not fetching older posts when the one that has already been requested is found while syncing new posts. That is causing gaps in my timeline I can read on the phone.
It really sounds complicated. Do you understand what's my issue?
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A friend just reminded me today that #braille watches for the #blind inspired by the soviet braille watch tradition are still being produced nowadays. I have found an eshop with world wide shipping meranom.com/en/vostok/vostok-t…
Also there is a nice article on the history of these watches: mroatman.wixsite.com/watches-o…
Also there is a nice article on the history of these watches: mroatman.wixsite.com/watches-o…
Vostok Watch Vostok-T 491210 (Braille watch)
Vostok-T Watch (Braille watch) are designed for blind and partially sighted people. Manual winding 2409 movement with 17 jewels Chromed case made of brass Dial with raised signs in the form of Braille latin letters: a, b, c Stainless steel caseba…Meranom Official Watch Store
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Today I have found out when enabling subtitles on #youtube the area where the subtitle track is playing is no longer configured as so called live region so youtube subtitles are no longer read automatically with a #screenReader if it's running. I've also looked at #invidious which has aria-live set to off. This is unfortunate as I was expecting this to just work. It can be tested on this video if you like youtu.be/watch?v=3i7gkN-1sAI yewtu.be/watch?v=3i7gkN-1sAI
Dnes si dovolím odkázať na veľmi vydarený český hlas pre hlasový výstup #TTS #RHVoice. Sám autor o tom píše tu: groups.io/g/Blind-android/mess… . O použití pre #Windows #Linux a #Android sa dočítate aj na jednoduchej komunitnej stránke hlas.ondrosik.sk/ . Gro používateľov sú ťažko zrakovo postihnutí používatelia, ktorí si bez kvalitného hlasového výstupu a čítača obrazovky nedokážu svoj digitálny život predstaviť, možno ale aj vám by sa mohol hodiť takýto hlas pre váš počítač či smartfón nezávislí od obrovských korporácií. Mohli by ste ho napr. použiť na čítanie kníh alebo počas navigácii cez GPS.
openpgp4fpr:8df9b61a17bf88354842ecc5144312f3eb650a2d
@Arch Linux packages #ffmpeg 4.4 in order to satisfy some dependencies. Funy thing today, now using pacman, I am just updating to ffmpeg4.4-4.4.4-4
Oh damn, why I have missed such well written and amazing message regarding #Accessibility state of linux desktop last year?
It's written by @RastislavKish and here it is: freelists.org/post/orca/Can-be…
It's written by @RastislavKish and here it is: freelists.org/post/orca/Can-be…
[orca] Re: Can be Linux used as a daily driver system for blind users? - orca - FreeLists
[orca] Re: Can be Linux used as a daily driver system for blind users?, orca at FreeListswww.freelists.org
I am about to install @Arch Linux on a new laptop. This time I am attempting to look into the #secureBoot properly. Trying to boot #archBoot or manually adding #preloader into the install media fails with secure boot violation error. I understand I should enroll loader hashes into the mok list in the nvram. I can't use EFI shell, hashtool.efi, keytool.efi and similar since at that stage of the boot process there's no accessibility support and I can't handle that on my own with OCR snapshots of the laptop screen. Am I missunderstanding the secure boot concept or is that yet another thing I can't overcome no matter how much I am trying to prepare for the task? Of course windows is booting and I do have a screen reader running. But I can't find windows tools capable of manipulating EFI variables. #secureBoot #fail #Accessibility
Zvýšený komfort pri písaní a editácii textu s qwerty a brailovou klávesnicou Corvus 10
V podobe vianočného darčeka existujúci používatelia aplikačného setu Corvus dostali k dispozícii verejnú beta verziu nadchádzajúcej verzie Corvus 10. Kompletný popis tejto verzie zverejnili samotní autori v článku o verzii Corvus 10 beta.Blindrevue
Revolučná betaverzia Corvus 2023.10.0 prináša vynovený čítač obrazovky, nové klávesnice a podporu pre KTN - Pélion
OCR v Android aplikáciách, ovládanie pomocou brailovej klávesnice, qwerty klávesnicu či podporu pre knižnicu KTN.Ondrej Rosík (Pélion - Vzdělávací portál pro zrakově postižené)
@Lukáš Tyrychtr Thank you very much for preparing great accessibility improvements for #fractal. It's now merget and available in Fractal 6 beta! #Accessibility #Matrix
This one was just the beginning, the message list needs much love, but likely after Fosdem...
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I am just testing @Jami with a #screenreader on both linux desktop and android for #accessibility.
Initial setup is accessible on both the platforms.
Listing conversations I can't really say as I only have single contact.
Audio calling is working fine. I am impressed that the call setup took just a moment. On android controls like microphone toggle, speaker / earpiece toggle and hangup button are working fine.
I am unable to find out in call controls with the keyboard on linux.
On both desktop and android I can write messages.
On android I can read messages, find and execute additional actions in the popup menu.
On the desktop I can't read incoming and outgoing messages with a screen reader. I haven't discovered on how to copy them.
In conclusion comparing this to the tox chat the Jami is more accessible with a screen reader. Perhaps I will be able to figure out how to handle the calls with a keyboard shortcuts however the fact message text is not readable with a screen reader on desktop linux and perhaps other platforms sounds dissapointing. The idea and decentralized nature of this communication app sounds really amazing.
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Exploring @Jami further I think I can post a few more observations.
The desktop app uses QT6 for the UI. Apart of some ounlabelled buttons such as Accept / Reject incoming call and some tab controls on the main window most of the UI elements are clearly labelled and accessible from the keyboard.
The desktop app has a keyboard shortcuts button on the main screen which opens a tabbed dialog with accessible lists of keyboard shortcuts. I haven't yet discovered if these can be tweaked but the default ones are working well for me. For calls it's ctrl+y for accepting and ctrl+d for rejecting / hanging up. Letter m alone can be used for muting / unmuting the microphone.
I need to find out if there is a way to create global shortcuts or do some actions using commandline switches. If either of this turned out to be possible it would perfectly integrate with the desktop.
Sending and receiving files is something I'm going to try next.
The desktop app uses QT6 for the UI. Apart of some ounlabelled buttons such as Accept / Reject incoming call and some tab controls on the main window most of the UI elements are clearly labelled and accessible from the keyboard.
The desktop app has a keyboard shortcuts button on the main screen which opens a tabbed dialog with accessible lists of keyboard shortcuts. I haven't yet discovered if these can be tweaked but the default ones are working well for me. For calls it's ctrl+y for accepting and ctrl+d for rejecting / hanging up. Letter m alone can be used for muting / unmuting the microphone.
I need to find out if there is a way to create global shortcuts or do some actions using commandline switches. If either of this turned out to be possible it would perfectly integrate with the desktop.
Sending and receiving files is something I'm going to try next.
Priatelia, poznáte simplemobiletools.com ? Je to sada veľmi jednoduchých ale funkčných open-source aplikácií pre android. Za projektom stojí slovenský vývojár Tibor Kaputa, čo som doteraz veľmi rád všade zdôrazňoval, kde to bolo možné. Sám autor v komentári potvrdzuje, že napozadí prebieha predaj týchto aplikácií resp. nie ani tak aplikácií a značky simple mobile tools ako používateľskej základne v obchode google play spoločnosti ZipoApps. Už tu na fediverse som zhliadol vtipné komentáre, že v kontexte autorovho priezviska, týmto aplikáciám je kaput. github.com/SimpleMobileTools/G…
Simple Mobile Tools bought by ZipoApps? · Issue #241 · SimpleMobileTools/General-Discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/SimpleMobileTools/comments/187w64x/simple_mobile_tools_bought_by_zipoapps/GitHub
Zaujímavý článok z histórie dopravy v čechách a na slovensku autobible.euro.cz/clanky/karos…
Karosa či Tatra? „Horský bus“ HB 500 přinesl provozní problémy…
Byla to neradostná doba – a teď máme na mysli pouze dopravní, nikoliv politickou situaci. Poválečné období zdaleka nebylo časem „prudkého rozvoje“, jak se později psalo, a jak jsme se (my, dříve narození) museli učit.Pavel Kopáček (Internet Info, s.r.o.)
I have just found out up to date version of #rclone can be used on non-rooted #android devices thanks to the #round-sync app. github.com/newhinton/Round-Syn… cc @IzzyOnDroid ✅
GitHub - newhinton/Round-Sync: Rclone for Android
Rclone for Android. Contribute to newhinton/Round-Sync development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
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Die App kann es gar nicht geben. Die kommt doch aus einem Phantom-Ort:
certificate DN: C=de, ST=NRW, L=Bielefeld, O=Nüsse IT, OU=dev, CN=Felix Nüsse
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefel…
Aber wenn Du darauf bestehst: warte einfach auf den nächsten #AndroidAppRain 
Danke für den Hinweis!
What a discovery: LMI interface for changing bios settings from the userspace on modern Lenovo laptops is a thing for quite some time already. It's built into the linux kernel since 5.17. I have supported Lenovo laptop for a few months and I have only found about it today. It's nice for IT professionals but for blind users like me it's great too.
GitHub - lenovo/thinklmi: Utility for easy access to BIOS WMI settings
Utility for easy access to BIOS WMI settings. Contribute to lenovo/thinklmi development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
I've just discovered @Accrescent An open-source Android app store focused on security, privacy, and usability. accrescent.app/
I have just discovered #narrowlink. It looks interesting especially with P2P mode introduced in the v0.2 version. For accessing services behind a nat it looks to have better bandwidth requirements as compared to traditional VPNs. narrowlink.com/blog/Hello-Worl…
Meet Narrowlink - Your New Remote Access Best Friend | Narrowlink
Narrowlink enables secure remote access across restricted networks. Learn how its architecture works and the unique benefits it unlocks.narrowlink.com
Hey all music lovers especially those of us who are using #screenreader apps to control music playback. #Foobar2000 for #android now features so called Non skinned playback controls view that can be activated by unchecking the Skinned playback screen checkbox in its advanced settings. This improvement is available in the beta version so far. See the mobile changelog at wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?…
I am back in the fediverse after almost three months of downtime.
Recently I've found a lightweight modern #opensource #audio #recorder app for #Android called #RecordYou. I like it that much so I've attempted to submit some #screenReader #accessibility improvements.
Let me know how do you like it once it's accepted.
github.com/Bnyro/RecordYou/pul…
This is my first experience with #Jetpack #Compose so bear with me and try to suggest improvements if you can please.
Let me know how do you like it once it's accepted.
github.com/Bnyro/RecordYou/pul…
This is my first experience with #Jetpack #Compose so bear with me and try to suggest improvements if you can please.
Add some screen reader accessibility improvements by pvagner · Pull Request #48 · Bnyro/RecordYou
Set content descriptions and other tweaks where it makes sense so the app is usefull for screen reader users. Visually disabled and blind people are likelly to enjoy using modern audio recording ap...GitHub
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Dear @Thunderbird ,
I know you are changing for the better. However while testing Thunderbird 111 daily I would like to see some gradual improvements so it becomes ready for most userf of Thunderbird 115 in terms of #screenreader #accessibility once it's declared stable.
Positive things I have noticed:
We have brand new message list that no longer renders all the messages in selected folder at once but only those that are visible on the screen and ready for the user interaction. From my point of view it looks similar to infinite lists on mobile platforms. Most importantly it almost fully elliminates enormous lag when browsing huge message lists on linux with #orca #screenreader running. I was curious enough and I have tested imap folder with up to 75000 messages inside.
It is still possible to use F6 and shift+F6 to move the keyboard focus from the folder tree to the message list and back.
Message list has headers that are used for sorting and a popup menu for setting up visible columns almost from the begining of Thunderbird existence. From now on these controls are finally accessible to screenreader users. And we are now able to configure sorting and show / hide individual columns.
We can still use ctrl+shift+k to show / hide the filter entry. Also there are accessible buttons alongside the filter entry that allow quick filtering the list such as labelled messages, messages with attachments, starred messages, messages from addressbook contacts, unread messages, even ability to keep the filter active when changing folders. Some of these features were already there earlier but now these are accessible to keyboard users including screenreader users.
Now features that need some polishing:
It appears we can now open individual message folders on a new tab / in a new window however this feature needs some fixes. For example when navigating using up and down arrow keys in the folder tree, pressing shift+F10 first moves focus to the parent folder and displays popup menu for that parent item instead of currently selected one.
When navigating in huge list new selection is not properly reported to assistive technologies while scrolling. For example press end to move to the last message. Now press up arrow key several times to navigate back a message and notice how screenreader is reporting new selection as it happens. Now press the page up key to move the selection by the larger increment. New message is highlighted but the selection changed event is not fired properly or it's getting mixed with some spurious focus event on an unlabelled pannel. Some screen readers are able to filter out these but I think it would be nice to address it at the source rather than working it around.
Now the main window has a lot of focusable controls and it is no longer comfortable to use tab and shift+tab to navigate. It would be nice if buttons were grouped in a toolbar like controls implementing toolbar pattern the way it's explained at
w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/patterns/t…
It's nice that ability to reconfigure message list columns is now fully accessible to keyboard and screen reader users however accessible name of each item in the message list does not yet respect these settings. Subject is the only content that is communicated to assistive tools when navigating in the list using arrow keys. This is major issue and will likely be considered as a regression if it won't be addressed before releasing the stable version.
When navigating in the list of messages it is possible to select multiple messages for executing actions on them. I am afraid the fact multiple messages are selected or not selected is not properly communicated to assistive tools. This is major issue for screenreader users.
It is no longer possible to use applications key / shift+f10 to inwoke a popup menu in the message list.
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@Peter Vágner Pinafore works, sometimes needs nvda+F5 to reload.
Clickup
Do you use #Clickup or do you know someone who uses it for managing projects and task? Seems that #accessibility is broken and I am looking for better alternatives or maybe workarrounds how to use it. #A11Y
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Eset has something called Keyboard protection in v16 of its flagship products. It's suitable for preventing keyloggers to do its thing, however reportedly it also affects screen reader experience. Here is an article in czech about this thing
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in reply to Peter Vágner • •This is printed to the console while trying to send an email.
All the sqlite files in the profile folder have some content, none of them is corrupted according to sqlite3 pragma integrity_check; but I still can't figure it out.
NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED: Component returned failure code: 0x8052000b (NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED) [mozIStorageStatement.executeStep] SQLiteDirectory.sys.mjs:437 NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED: Component returned failure code: 0x8052000b (NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED) [mozIStorageStatement.executeStep] SQLiteDirectory.sys.mjs:437 GenericSendMessage FAILED: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x8052000b (NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED) [mozIStorageStatement.executeStep]" nsresult: "0x8052000b (NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED)" location: "JS frame :: resource:///modules/SQLiteDirectory.sys.mjs :: getCardFromProperty :: line 437" data: no] MsgComposeCommands.js:6452:13 NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED: Component returned failure code: 0x8052000b (NS_ERROR_FILE_CORRUPTED) [mozIStorageStatement.executeStep] getCardFromProperty resource:///modules/SQLiteDirectory.sys.mjs:437 cardForEmailAddress resource:///modules/AddrBookDirectory.sys.mjs:470 book resource:///modules/AddressCollector.sys.mjs:40 collectSingleAddress resource:///modules/AddressCollector.sys.mjs:40 _collectAddressesToAddressBook resource:///modules/MessageSend.sys.mjs:1275 _deliverAsMail resource:///modules/MessageSend.sys.mjs:1183 _deliverMessage resource:///modules/MessageSend.sys.mjs:860 MsgComposeCommands.js:6363:13Peter Vágner
in reply to Peter Vágner • •Dear @Thunderbird: Free Your Inbox your developers and the community is awesome. It's already in the review process!
bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.…
Thunderbird: Free Your Inbox
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