Pred pár dňami sme vďaka @Zvonimir Stanecic a ďalším dobrovoľníkom zverejnili prvý slovenský ženský hlas pre #rhvoice. Hlas dostal aj pekné netradičné meno Jasietka. K dispozícii sú hlasy pre #Windows #nvdasr #android aj #linux . Aktualizácie sa zároveň dočkala aj celková podpora pre slovenčinu, vrátane už skôr zverejneného slovenského hlasu Ondro. Ak potrebujete #tts #textToSpeech k čítaču obrazovky, na čítanie kníh, inštrukcie pre GPS navigáciu, pozrite si prosím podrobnosti na jednoduchom webe.
Quite number of things have happened since I have mentioned my occassional usage of #emacS: * @Termux is trying to update its compatibility with recent #android versions returning into the Google play in the process. * speechd-el the app that acts as a built-in screen reader for emacs got some polishing and fixes recently. * Touch and speech have recently released an update to Corvus, suite of assistive apps for #android that also feature great liblouis powered braille keyboard that can emulate alt, ctrl and shift keys allowing me to use emacs keybindings on the braille touch keyboard. * I'm on holiday these days and I can benefit from having a screenreader accessible linux terminal with powerfull tools inside my pocket.
So here is a short article I wrote on the matter last week
@Piciok Thanks for sharing the instructions. Now the voice output of Emacs also works on my Android smartphone. Together with the mobile Braille keyboard metabraille, this is very practical.
@Oskar @Paweł Masarczyk Do you guys have more details about @Projekt Define Is it really this hardware mobile phone case with braille keyboard included? I know all the documentation is available online for the do it yourself project, but is there someone who is making these units? gitlab.com/metabraille/metabra…
@define @Piciok Metabraille is a mobile Braille-Keyboard. You can connect it via Bluetooth to a Smartphone or a Computer. We are developing and producing them.
@Oskar @Projekt Define @Paweł Masarczyk Can you please try to describe how it looks like? Is it built into the smartphone case? Is there a place to order it from? What's the price for an individual user? Does it use liblouis for the back translation from braille? I don't seem to be able to find out these details on the website or should I be looking at something else?
@define @Piciok Metabraille is built like a house with a roof. 8 buttons in the front and two buttons on the roof instead of windows. You hold the house with both hands between your palms and type with the fingers on the front and with your thumbs on the roof. It is like holding a keyboard upside down in the air with your palms and typing on the backside. 12 cm long, 10 cm width, 2.6 cm depth. it is a standalone device, not built in the smartphone case.
@Oskar @Projekt Define @Paweł Masarczyk Hmmm, while adopting we'll have to implement different braille codes. e.g. For some serious typing I'd like to have slovak braille code. Newertheless it sounds very interesting. With this keyboard can you fully operate your smartphone?
@define @Piciok We want to implement all European languages step by step. Metabraille is a full keyboard replacement. You can fully operate your smartphone with this keyboard.
On iOS we have ISH which is an awesome piece of software. Its a full emulator of Linux kernel. Emulator, not a VM. Reading through its code is an adventure full of twists and turns, but very rewarding if you like such things.
Dear !Friendica Support I'm sometimes reading my #friendica timeline from the @Tusky app on #android. I am having an issue that some parts of the timeline are not loaded into the @Tusky app at all. I have figured out when replies are added into a thread, the post is being repositioned in the list of posts returned by the #Mastodon compatible API. @Tusky is not fetching older posts when the one that has already been requested is found while syncing new posts. That is causing gaps in my timeline I can read on the phone. It really sounds complicated. Do you understand what's my issue?
The blind community has been hit hard with loss this week. RIP to Austin Pinto with so very much energy and knowledge he put into the Accessible Android community, Brandon Cole, a true super hero in the blind gamer community, and Penny Duffy, an awesome advocate and friend to parents of blind children. Families and friends are definitely on my heart.
I'm in tears as I hear the news of Brandon Cole's passing. SuperBlindMan is a name synonymous with gaming, determination, and a fight for equality in an industry that until recently, has kept accessibility on the back burner. I'll forever miss his humor, his energy, his commitment to showing the world that games are for all players. I'm so blessed to have gotten to know him, however briefly in the digital sphere. My heart goes out to his family, his loved ones, and the many lives he touched with his kindness and advocacy. We may not be able to fight every boss level, but Brandon has shown us that the game doesn't stop when people expect us to sit on the sidelines. I cherish his passion and contributions to society. He will always be loved, always missed. His legacy will linger in the hearts of his family, friends and colleagues. It is up to the ones left behind to realize his mission and continue to spread the joy of gaming to all, despite their level of ability. Rest in peace, Brandon Cole. You will never be forgotten.
Tagged a new U-Boot release for some #Qualcomm phones, now supporting the OnePlus 8T (kebab), since it's what I've been using to do upstream development.
Still a bit of a pain to get started with since you need to modify your GPT to mark a partition as the ESP, you can do this using gdisk from an existing @postmarketOS installation.
Once that's done, you can build a postmarketOS image for qualcomm-sdm845 or postmarketos-trailblazer (passing --split to pmbootstrap install), flash the boot image to your elected ESP and the rootfs to userdata, and then enjoy your EFI'd phone :D
Speaking of kebab, initial support for the OnePlus 8T sent upstream! Including display and touch screen drivers which I'm really happy are in a somewhat upstreamable state.
Need to figure out the firmware situation in pmaports, but otherwise once these patches land it'll be one of the first devices supported exclusively by the postmarketos-trailblazer device with Linux next!
@FluidEscence It spreads out but then it has friends come in from the other side and then it merges into a nice big super wide rumble and aaaaaaaaa it's so good
I'm so fucking floored right now. A true legend is gone. He fought tooth and nail for gamers in the blind community the world over, inspiring so many developers to make their games accessible to all. Fly high, Super Blindman.
I just wrote a little #NVDASR app module for Phone Link to: 1. Allow shift+tabbing to the message list without the app crashing, since Microsoft apparently can't be bothered fixing this rather severe bug. 2. Allow alt+1 to focus the Conversations list when the Messages view is already active instead of just doing nothing. I can't really be bothered submitting it as a proper add-on or a core app module, but if anyone wants it, let me know and I can throw it up somewhere.
@drew Maybe. It probably should go in core, but it feels a bit weird because I'm hacking around a very silly bug that Microsoft will probably eventually fix. Then again, maybe they won't.
@drew Mostly, I just don't have the patience or inclination right now to go through code review and polish the code - type annotations, etc. - when it works just fine for me.
Does phone link get updated often? I haven’t used it much though I hear it is quite useful. IDK man, I am still mad at them for “new outlook” being such a pile of garbage. I have to use it for work and it is a massive hit to my productivity. I am not confident the app teams are looking at stuff like that. I suppose I should be more forgiving though, , their track record in general is quite good.
@drew I do get update notifications every now and then, one within the last month or so, but I'm not really sure how often. I did submit feedback for the crash a while back and it's been crickets thus far.
Update on Newton, the Wayland-native accessibility project
There's incredibly good news for people who use accessibility tools on Linux, but who were facing serious, gamebreaking problems when trying to use Wayland. Matt Campbell, of the GNOME accessibility team, has been hard at work on an entirely new accessibility architecture for modern free desktops, and he's got some impre
This could be useful to some people. No support, only for info.
As background, I was needing to schedule a task regularly so as to work with the StationPlaylist Track Tool via command line parameters. The Track Tool is very useful to process files for use on a radio station. If you don't use StationPlaylist, still keep reading.
First I tried the Windows Task Scheduler. Everything worked, except that the computer would freeze while the task (which is fairly intensive) was taking place. Then I tried System Scheduler: splinterware.com/products/sche…
Not only does it work perfectly, but it has very accessible dialogs and list view controls, plenty of shortcut keys, and more. I was very pleased at the way it works.
Of course you can schedule a task to undertake the kind of activity I was wanting to do. The list of tasks not only shows the title but when it was last run, something essential for what I was trying to achieve as I needed to monitor it.
You can also create periodic reminders or scheduled text notes. Those reminders can be snoozed for a period of time before the alert arrives again. The tasks can be run manually or via the schedule. Manual was also very useful for my testing. You can create desktop shortcuts for tasks if you did want to run them manually and regularly.
Not that I tried this, but you can also get it to action a series of keystrokes if needed when an application is focused. That was well outside the scope of what I was wanting to do.
Definitely worth giving it a try if you would like to. There is a free and paid version.
OS: Arch Linux Platform: Oracle Virtualbox VM Error: Failed to load /org/gtk/libgtk/icons/16x16/status/image-missing.png: Unrecognized image file format (gdk-pixbuf-error-quark,...
@feudjais this looks like an issue with the distribution you have installed. Since this is a dependency of Gajim (and not code Gajim controls), there is nothing we can do.
That's good to know! Today we use openfire, but I'm not sure if their support or availability of security labels. I'll see if prosodyim is on our available list.
When I send a file through a bot with the [xep_0363'].upload_file function, the link to GAJIM does not arrive, in the version before 1.9 it works fine.
@SapphireRose91 For the tracks he sings on, he laid down the original tracks, with me doing quite a bit of additional instrumentation, arranging, engineering and post-production afterwards. Mine are all me, but with a great deal of constructive feedback from him along the way.
@SapphireRose91 I was only a pianist for a long time, but just kept banging away at other keys and vocals and got decent at it eventually, haha. But also, collaboration is cool.
@pvagner @douglawlor I'm using JAWS 2024 with Brave and I was able to get the video to play. I had to press Play twice but after that I heard it with no issues.
Alright, Devconf is a week in the past, but was it an event. We had interesting and useful discussions, and yes, we enjoyed the time as well. And, by the way, our talk was definitely a success.
Blazie Technologies has updated the BT Speak Pro product page on our Web site. It now contains a full list of product specifications, along with a list of preinstalled applications along with their descriptions. blazietech.com/btspeakpro
Changes in this release candidate are new translations.
There are lots of new features in 2024.2, including Sound Split, new Synth Settings & other quick nav commands, a new "Display Speech Output" Braille mode and many more updates and fixes. Do test it out and let us know how you find it!
The second Release Candidate (RC2) of NVDA 2024.2 is now available for download and testing. We encourage all users to download this RC and provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, thi…
Latest discovery about windows 11 is that if you have a shaky internet connection (I found this on a train) and you hit the windows key and start typing it doesn't search locally until the internet search is finished. So if I want to start a program by typing the first few letters of its name it just doesn't work. Had to choose between scrolling through the list of programs by name which has now been quite well hidden, or turning internet off. Extraordinarily stupid bit of design. No way to turn this off either that I could find.
I want a tool that i can feed two log files into and it will show me where they diverge, but be smart enough to ignore date/time stamps, UUIDs, hashes, minor line ordering differences.
New features include a cool take on Plasma's edit mode, keyboard LEDs that sync with accent colors, an inbuilt Remote Desktop Server that let's you access Plasma desktops over a network, lots of bug corrections and improvements.
A blind colleague recently joined a new federal agency. The agency is refusing to let him use the NVDA screen reader (free, open source), because it's created by an Australian non-profit which is not registered on SAM.gov (because they're not a vendor).
If you know of how a federal employee has gotten approval to use NVDA, would you let me know what magic words were required?
Hey @NVAccess, do you happen to know how someone working at the US federal government might get permission to use #NVDA, or maybe have a user there who might be willing to share tips?
@waldoj is asking for a colleague. Reading between the lines, I don't think the colleague is doing accessibility work.
(I'm really hoping the secret includes paying for it.)
@asparagi Bren, thanks for tagging us! I did reply to Waldo's original post as well. In short, we're happy to work with any agency; we will look into registering on sam.gov as it does come up from time to time.
@NVAccess @asparagi FWIW, I registered on sam.gov as a sole proprietorship; it was annoying (and clearly intended for larger companies) but not at all beyond my reach. Not sure if there are special considerations for non-USians. Beware of renewal scams. But go for it; it’s not THAT hard. :)
@thatandromeda @NVAccess @asparagi The most annoying thing is that you need to renew your data at SAM.gov every year. But the whole process takes a couple of hours initially, and then you just confirm that nothing changed on the following years. But in general, it's not a rocket science.
@bonkers @thatandromeda @asparagi Thanks! Definitely one for us to follow up! And of course if anyone's IT department or organisation does need any documentation in order to use NVDA (it's not uncommon, for a lot of organisations, for any new software), we do have a page with answers to a lot of commonly asked questions: nvaccess.org/corporate-governm… And we're happy to liaise with your IT people for anything else they need (like sam.gov in this case)
Government and corporate users have specific requirements around security and documentation. NV Access is pleased to work with organisations around the world. This page contains documentation and …
@NVAccess @thatandromeda @asparagi BTW, the SAM.gov registration includes obtaining an NCAGE code, which makes you recognized in the whole NATO. I hope you get a nice support contract in the end :)
We know multiple US federal agencies have approved NVDA. I've heard of sam.gov. We'll have to see what is involved in being listed there. Last time we had an agency ask, they had a form they wanted us to fill in in lieu of being listed on sam.gov. That worked for them, though as people have said, the exact requirements likely differ between departments. We are very happy to answer any questions any department or IT managers have about NVDA / security / data / etc. Email info@nvaccess.org
Reasonable Accommodations is the magic words. The IT operations team has a legal mandate to meet RA requests from any employee. That should unstick things.
If it's a small agency, they may have never had a blind employee before, so someone will need to take the desktop software through the lifecycle, including security testing. That's expensive, and will take months. They can get a risk acceptance signed by the CIO in the meantime.
Threatening a lawsuit in those two cases might shake the tree.
However, most bigger agencies almost certainly have something else if not NVDA. Maybe Jaws. If they have a different product already approved and the colleague just doesn't like that specific product, well they're kinda out of luck.
@krusynth @waldoj. No, when someone needs an assistive device you can't just tell them you're going to substitute your alternative you think is equivalent. This would be like taking away someone's prosthetic and insisting they use a different one you provide.
@dalias @krusynth As a screen reader user myself (sometimes; I have some usable vision), I don't think the comparison quite holds. Whereas a prosthetic is a part of the person's body, a screen reader is a tool running on the employer's machine, and many of us are already accustomed to using more than one of them. I think it's entirely reasonable to require the employee to use JAWS on the employer's machine.
@Bruce_Toews That's an ugly situation. A blind computer user requesting a specific screen reader isn't the same as someone requesting an alternative to the company's Office suite or CRM. It's equivalent to someone needing a larger monitor or an ergonomic keyboard. I suppose you could argue that the screen reader used by a company might also have custom scripts for that company's applications that make that particular screen reader work better than a competing screen reader. Still, a screen reader is a very special type of access and I wouldn't want my employer interfering with how I best use my computer.
@Bruce_Toews So it's essentially JAWS or Dolphin's Supernova, then? I'm glad that I know JAWS and NVDA equally well but I feel bad for users who only know NVDA who then have to learn a whole new screen reader. Fortunately, Web navigation commands are very similar but configuring the two screen readers uses very different commands and methods.
Today I received what I believe to be the first ever donation to the phonetones project via PayPal. £7 which I appreciate. To my knowledge this has never happened. I've been running this since 2006 on various bits of hardware, it's moved houses probably as many times as I have in the same time. If you don't know what this is, you'll find it at 3.onj.me/phonetones.
If you've ever wanted that one ringtone you could never find, that random alarm or alert that you heard once and have been thinking about for the last 20 years, we probably have it.
We are very pleased to share that the NVDA 2024.2 Release Candidate is now available: nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2024-2r… This includes lots of new features since 2024.1, including Sound Split, new Synth Settings & other quick nav commands, a new "Display Speech Output" Braille mode and many more updates and fixes. Do test it out and let us know how you find it! Otherwise, the final version will be out in the next few weeks.
The Release Candidate (RC) of NVDA 2024.2 is now available for download and testing. We encourage all users to download this RC and provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will b…
#AudioMo 2024 day 15: A day late, but never a dollar short. To make up for it, I'm sharing a fun little number introduced many years ago to an online friend who is dearly missed. I became acquainted with Marcel Oates on Twitter, and spent hours on Facetime with him. He had a sense of humor, a gorgeous voice, and loved to talk all things audio, and of course dogs. When he shared this song with me, I about fell out my chair laughing. I still remember the night I received a text from his sister informing me of his passing. It was actually a rainy night, and I went outside and cried along with the angels, their teardrops falling around me. He was a dear friend who I didn't know for long, but made a significant impact on my life. One of the things I remember is his humor, and his laugh. We spent so much time coming up with funny concepts and scinarios that we wish to record if we could. Enjoy this fun little number, and I hope you have an awesome day!
This is why I hate modern software. I upgraded ElevenLabs Reader, because I wanted to see if it improved. The changelog just said "Stability improvements" or something similar for each version. I launched it, they said multiple languages were on the way. The next screen said we're syncing everything to the cloud so you can read on all your devices. No ability to opt out, it was done before I could finish reading. As a bonus, it seems less accessible than it was before.
Yay! Got the imx363 rear camera working in my Poco F1 (SDM845) running a near mainline kernel! 🎉 Here is a quick demo of Megapixels and Snapshot camera apps running at 1080p resolution. Full resolution of 4032 x 3024 is kind of buggy with only 2016 x 3024 pixels stretched into 4032 x 3024. Needs some work before wider use by community though. An important milestone for SDM845 devices nevertheless! 😇
just found out grapheneos has a "duress pin" feature that lets you set an alternate pin that will wipe the device if entered. so if you're forced to provide a pin, you can give them that one.
that's actually super cool. if you're a person of interest, going through a dangerous checkpoint, etc, USE THIS
please do not compare CalyxOS to be the same level of security as GrapheneOS, this is a lie pedaled by the Calyx Foundation to get people to use their interior custom ROM
CalyxOS has half baked security features, insecure Google Play Services implementation, slow to update core services compared to GrapheneOS, breaks basic android security model, and so many more issues that make CalyxOS a borderline scam
I've had 0 musical inspiration for months now. But this afternoon, I threw together this little sketch of a song about a lovely, lazy Brisbane autumn day with my kids. Very incomplete, including chunks of unwritten lyrics, but who knows whether it'll ever make it to a complete song, haha. files.jantrid.net/music/NthDeg…
An idea for anyone with the time and energy required to moderate anything, here it goes: a blog open to anybody to post guest entries where blind users can post about everyday things achieved using tech. I imagine everything going there: somebody reading the screen of a washing machine using OCR or LLM's, somebody trying to teach others a folk song in a foreign language by jotting the lyrics down in a notepad app on an Android smartphone which crashed due to a bug; trying and succeeding or failing to book train tickets... you get the idea. Make it variet, make it international, make it interesting, modern or retrospective. Goals: 1. To motivate each other and show what is possible and what still needs solutions; 2. To evaluate which of the many technologies flowing through the market actually ended up being used and for what purpose; 3. To create an archive not just of what was available in the past but what was actually in use by people; 4. Perhaps to showcase to the wider audiences that Accessibility is not just a dull requirement to satisfy and actually helps end-users. Any takers? #Accessibility #Blind
I tried doing something like this back in the day, though more of a wiki format, and got very few contributions. Still, if there were interest I could easily set somthing up.
@modulux Sad to hear that. Low interest in contributing is something that was brought up when I put the idea through some friends in Poland. My ideas here are: to allow for short form: a couple of sentences, more of a social media post format and bundling those together like testimonies in a joined thread; also the most obvious of things: write a couple of stories yourself to show potential writers where to go.
Only 2 days left for you to have your name associated with the *first* events management & ticketing platform built with accessibility as a first class concern from the start.
I recorded a quick demo of the current state of the Wayland-native accessibility stack I'm developing for @gnome (and eventually other free desktops), code-named Newton. In the demo, I run the GNOME Podcasts app on the Newton accessibility stack, using my GTK branch that integrates AccessKit. So in principle, the same app should also work on Windows, and soon, macOS. The demo was featured in the latest edition of This Week in GNOME: thisweek.gnome.org/posts/2024/… This work is funded by @sovtechfund.
Instructions for setting up the whole stack are in the README on my branch of Orca: gitlab.gnome.org/mwcampbell/or… The instructions assume some familiarity with building and installing system components like GTK and Mutter using Meson, in a way that doesn't break your distro installation or on a throwaway system. Let me know if you have any trouble, or if you get it working.
@Matt Campbell Woohoo, I have missed your instructions. I am just trying out if I can build it and play with it on my Arch linux install. Thanks for working on it.
@Matt Campbell Yes, I made it work by rebuilding affected @Arch Linux :archlinux: packages from your branches. Flat review, key echo, mouse actions are working fine with GTK4 apps such as gnome-calculator, gnome settings and similar. Even at this stage it's perfectly useable. Another bonus, The accesskit based GTK4 is also going to provide accessibility on windows. Am I understanding that right?
Things I have noticed so far: * With at-spi2 based GTK4 GTK labels are mapped to the label role. With accesskit based implementation it's mapped to static. * In nautilus when typing into the address bar with at-spi based implementation auto completions are reported as they are inserted. So text insertions / deletions are not yet available with accesskit I guess. * When restarting orca and nautilus is the active window this newton based orca causes nautilus to freeze I guess.
Once again thanks for your dedication and awesome work.
@pvagner Hi, thanks a lot for building and testing.
Yes, the GTK AccessKit branch is already working on Windows. And it shouldn't be hard to make it work on macOS; I just have to write a bit of platform-specific code and figure out how to build on that platform.
I need to look into the first two bug reports. As for the third one, about stopping and restarting Orca, I think that's actually the same issue I'm working on right now.
@Matt Campbell Regarding windows that sounds fantastic. I imagine I might be able to recommend windows folks to run #fractal matrix client soon enough. For building GTK with accesskit on windows do you use msis2 or gvsbuild?
@pvagner I haven't used gvsbuild yet, but I have built GTK with the Visual Studio tools, just running Meson from a command prompt and letting it pull in dependencies via subprojects. I have also built it using msys2, which is where I've done most of my Windows testing lately, because that was the only way I knew that I could get it working with gnome-text-editor for some real-world GtkTextView testing.
@Matt Campbell Fractal is very accessible on linux. They have specifically addressed accessibility issues in few recent releases. I think there are things to improve e.g. autocomplete of mentions, but I think the app is generally accessible and nice to use.
@pvagner Of course, if you already switched your installation back to the released packages so you could have a fully working system back, that's fine.
@Matt Campbell Yes, I've switched back for now as emulating mouse clicks on the web is holding me from switching fully to wayland and also it's a late night here. Still I'm extremelly happy about the outcome. It's going to be a huge success I am sure. I will sure post more as I notice it. Also I've tweaked all the needed pkgbuilds, so it's easy for me to rebuild updates as they appear. Huge thanks really!
@Matt Campbell So I am back testing fractal and trying to compare how it performs with atspi and accesskit.
Fractal has tree of conversations on the main window. Root entries are room types such as explore, invited, favorite, low priority and similar. These items might have expanded / collapsed state. With accesskit this state is not yet reported.
When GTK4 label is focused, it's possible to use arrow keys to navigate with the caret on that label. With atspi orca is reporting caret navigation and text selection as it happens. With accesskit this is not yet working. I am not sure this might be an issue with the accesskit, newton prototype though, because with older versions of GTK4 this was not working either. Where can I put that environment variable to force atspi even with accesskit based build of GTK4? I am running this on the full gnome 46.
There is another reason why I think there might be difference with the GTK4 version I am running against atspi as compared to accesskit. Fractal has a list of room events called room history. Those are messages, files, recordings and other items found on the rooms timeline. With atspi this list is reported as room history and using up and down arrow key to navigate in this list does not cause orca to report items in this list as they are being focused. With accesskit this list is working perfectly.
With accesskit flat review is working in much more places including nautilus and fractal. With atspi orca freezes when trying to use flat review with these apps.
Flat review with accesskit feels damn snappy. Unfortunately I don't know how to prove it and make sure if it's for real or if this is a part of me being so much excited. Perhaps some control coordinates may need some refining or orca needs to be tweaked to the new way of doing things as the content now appears to be mostly presented on very long lines when using flat review. And also I think there might be some invisible content being presented as a part of flat review.
@pvagner Thanks for the feedback. I had no idea that a GtkLabel could have a caret. Should be easy to fix in my GTK AccessKit implementation.
As for the environment variable, the only way I know to set the variable would be to run the app from a terminal rather than starting it the normal way.
@pvagner Also, can you please try the last push I did to GTK yesterday and let me know if that solves the problem you had with restarting Orca while Nautilus is running?
I moved the package so the low-level and high-level Newton consumer crates are consolidated in one repo. And since doing that move, I've pushed a couple of important fixes. Yes, I've updated my Orca README.
text review and text selection for GTK labels is now working on both atspi and accesskit respectivelly. Huge thanks!
Restarting orca while GTK4 app such as nautilus, gnome-calculator or fractal is in the foreground is now safe. I see no more exceptions when releasing keygrabs on exit.
This is true from the moment I have started testing this yesterday I have just forgotten to mention it. When key echo is enabled in orca with newton it correctly handles accented non ascii characters while typing. I have tested web content in firefox and chromium, gnome-terminal, libreoffice, gedit, nautilus and fractal.
And now the rest:
After todays orca update flat review now just displays window title for me for example name of the folder that is opened in nautilus. I think I have updated everything correctly but I can double check it later today.
Reporting expanded / collapsed state is really an accesskit integration issue I am afraid as switching to atspi on the same GTK4 version I am getting these reported fine.
Before starting this yesterday I was using GTK4 4.14.4 as packaged in archlinux. That version has some positive and some negative changes as well than the version you have started with while integrating accesskit. For example the thing with conversation history in fractal I have mentioned in my previous report is broken with GTK4 4.14.4 as packaged in arch linux but it's working fine with both atspi and accesskit when using your branch. Thus I think it's not related to your work. At the other hand in fractal there is a message composer which has some buttons that inwoke a popup menu such as more options. When that menu is dismissed fractal freezes with atspi and accesskit when using GTK4 built from your branch and with the arch linux packaged GTK4 version it's working fine.
@pvagner Those differences between the Arch Linux GTK package and my version when using atspi are weird, because, as of a few days ago, my branch is based on GTK 4.14.4, with few modifications to GTK outside of the AccessKit backend itself.
@Matt Campbell Hmmm, I can't really think of what else to try. I will also rebuild the same version of GTK4 their are shipping on arch linux out of interest just in case.
@pvagner I think I got flat review working correctly. Please pull the latest update to the newton_consumer repo and rebuild and reinstall the newton_atspi_compat Python package from there.
@Matt Campbell Thank you again, I've great news this time as well. After updating the newton_atspi_compat package the flat review with newton is working fine. With nautilus it started to work immediatelly when I've restarted orca with the updated newton_atspi_compat package in place. With fractal it started to work after restarting fractal.
Also I must say I have found my-self reporting a strange thing yesterday. I have mentioned I have tried gedit as a part of this testing however now I have realized gedit is a GTK3 app not GTK4. When looking at gedit main window I can use orca's flat review to explore its toolbar including moving the mouse pointer and synthesizing mouse clicks. When doing the same thing with GTK4 apps such as nautilus or fractal the flat review is working great but emulating the mouse is not.
Excuse me for this mistake. I got it wrong.
And just now I have noticed another thing. I wanted to verify the mouse emulation features by running gtk-demo app which is GTK3 app too. I have tried to run gtk-demo from the gnome-terminal. As it has started I have noticed orca briefly reporting GTK demo however I can't focus its window. When holding down the alt key and pressing the tab key to cycle through the open windows, I can hear GTK Demo is part of the window switcher but when releasing both the keys that window is never brought to the foreground. When expanding activities from the gnome top pannel I can't locate GTK demo either. The very same thing has happened to me with an electron based app called losslesscut but originally I have assumed that was a momentarily thing related to electron but now when seeing it for the second time with a different toolkit I am wondering if this might be related to the mutter changes.
I am sorry for mentioning too many things. For some of these I am really unsure so if it's not relevant please ignore those parts.
@pvagner The next time you update, it's crucial that you update newton_atspi_compat (again from the newton_consumer repo), the AccessKit C bindings, and GTK all at the same time, and restart any running GTK 4 apps using the AccessKit backend before you restart Orca. I made a protocol-breaking change. Also, labels now have the correct role.
I'll look at your other reports later. Thanks again.
@Matt Campbell I managed to update. I can no longer reproduce freezes of fractal I mentioned yesterday and I can recognize the labels related change. Thank you so much.
@pvagner Thanks. So then, if I remember correctly, the only issue you're having with Fractal now is the lack of expanded state on the tree items, right?
@Matt Campbell Yes with fractal this is the only issue that has left. Related to the other thing that is not related to fractal Now I managed to find out downgrading GTK4 to the 4.14.4 as packaged in arch linux it helps with electron and GTK2 based apps not being focusable through the alt+tab window chooser.
Also have you noticed my post regarding nautilus and accessible name calculation I have posted to the orca list? This is not related to your work in any way so far. I am just wondering if accesskit wouldn't be able to make this part better than what we currently have while using atspi directly. In other words while calculating label of an accessible node should it walk its entire subtree?
@pvagner I did see that post. In the accessible name calculation used by the GTK AT-SPI backend, the decision to walk the subtree for some roles (like buttons) but not others (list items) seems to be deliberate. I don't know why. The GTK AccessKit backend is using AccessKit's own name calculation, which currently doesn't walk the subtree for list items either, but I could easily change that.
@Matt Campbell Hmmm, so it's even more complicated than I was imagining. I think what is done within the nautilus files view is not entirely right either. At the other hand projects with good a11y reputation such as thunderbird are doing it too. Thunderbird has aria-label on its message list items too. When looking at nautilus window with flat review or object navigation all the textual information is there. If using it the way it has been designed just using standard navigation keys such as arrow keys it's looking very poor.
@Matt Campbell I took a look at more apps that have lists as their integral part. Audio player #amberol has a playlist where its list items would benefit from calculated accessible names. gnome-podcasts looks as if it's already doing what we need the items have all the text from their children. I haven't looked how they are doing it though. Various lists within the gnome control center would also benefit from the accessible name calculation as an alternative to setting accessible manually. For example list of wifi networks is missing state information and signal strength. List of bluetooth devices is missing the state information. List of apps under notifications is missing a status information. List of keyboard shortcuts is missing assigned shortcuts, only action names are part of the accessible name. List of printers has all the details including status, location, description. Actually this might be the only list I am surprised looks about right to me. Hmm, perhaps I shal try to collect all these comments and submit it as a GTK feature request as calculating the labels might really be helpfull it seems.
@pvagner Also, if you update the Newton version of Orca, you should find that left-clicking the current flat review item works now in GTK 4 apps. It's not actually synthesizing a mouse event, but requesting the equivalent accessible action.
@Matt Campbell Yesterday I was running newton all day long. And all these tests were made with it. Today I am back to stable versions so far as I had to deal with inaccessible website about a hour ago.
I don't want to sound rude in any way but if I was able to do a little recap I can point out these issues related to newton prototype:
I am afraid there might be some invisible content present when using flat review.
Expanded or collapsed state is not passed through to orca (tested with fractal room list)
When running GTK4 from the accesskit branch, there are issues selecting GTK2 and electron based apps in the alt+tab window chooser.
These are the things I am aware of. If you need me to test something more thoroughly, please do let me know and I will try to do my best.
@sonny @pvagner Not sure if this is what you meant, but I asked about possible benefits of the Inkscape UI being accessible on Windows and macOS even if the canvas itself isn't accessible, and I got this reply: mas.to/@ChanceyFleet/112282476…
@pvagner You mentioned that you'd soon be able to recommend Fractal to blind Windows users. Does this mean that you expect Fractal to be more accessible than other Matrix clients on Windows?
@Matt Campbell @Sonny The most accessible @The Matrix.org Foundation client is now @Element. However this is either an electron app or a web app on windows and linux. Secont best matrix client when it comes to #a11y is fractal. At least I am seeing it that way. Since fractal is a native desktop app it will have its fans for sure. The fact it's very accessible is very good. Additionally I don't know but I haven't seen matrix client targetting windows that is up to date with matrix development. It's why I think fractal is closest to become one once accesskit is merged into GTK4 and fractal is built against it on windows.
@Matt Campbell Hello, Huge thanks for asking. I am on holiday since monday and I had no chance to apply updates since that time. Earlier last week I was switching back and forth from newton to the old X based setup. I will definatelly continue to keep tracking the updates and running newton when returning back in some 10 days.
@JoSuus AT-SPI kind of works on Wayland. There are problems though stemming from the fact that there's no connection between the AT-SPI accessibility tree and the actual Wayland surface. For example, Orca can't tell what's under the mouse pointer with AT-SPI on Wayland. That already works in the Newton prototype, though I didn't cover it in this demo. Also, AT-SPI is incompatible with strong sandboxing. I hope to demo a fully sandboxed Flatpak app with Newton soon.
@JoSuus Also, with AT-SPI, Orca can't observe keyboard input on Wayland unless you use a toolkit that supports the legacy AT-SPI method of key snooping, which GTK 4 does not, because that old method has various problems, like the requirement of an IPC round trip for every keystroke. I don't know if the Newton prototype's current solution to that problem will make it to production; there have been other efforts to solve that problem on Wayland.
@jason Yes, solving the problem of screen reader keyboard handling on Wayland has been within the scope of the GNOME accessibility work funded by Sovereign Tech Fund since the beginning of the STF work last year. It was supposed to be done by someone else in parallel with my project. But that project has run into various delays. I hesitated to even do a partial proof-of-concept implementation in my prototype because I didn't want to step on someone else's turf.
I just bought the BT Speak Pro (blazietech.com/products), a portable GNU/Linux computer (using a Raspberry Pi) with a Braille keyboard, from @BlazieTech. I'm mildly interested in their custom UI; I'll see if it ends up being useful to me. But I'm also interested in getting my Wayland-native GNOME accessibility prototype running on it. Should be an easy way to find any egregious performance problems in my implementation.
My BT Speak Pro from @BlazieTech finally shipped, and it's supposed to arrive on Thursday. Looking forward to playing with both the custom software and GNOME on this thing, which is basically a battery-powered Raspberry Pi 4 (the compute module with 8 GB RAM and some eMMC storage) in a case with a Braille keyboard.
I wonder if I can safely back up the factory system image, reflash the eMMC with a different distro (or even something much more custom), and put back the old image later.
@cachondo No. I don't regret paying much more for the BT Speak though, since it seems to fulfill my long-standing dream of an actually hackable blindy note-taker.
Oracle Cloud has been giving away free "Ampere A1 Compute" instances for a while, but I haven't seen too much talk about them, so I thought I would contribute.
Hi Matt. Yes you can reflash the BTSpeak but be sure you save an image so you can reflash it. We don't hide much, so you can really screw it up if you try. I don't think you need to reflash to get gnome running, just install it. We install Mate but gnome should run.
Yes, I'm sure I can install and run GNOME on the stock OS. I mainly just wanted to know how much I'll be able to tinker. I did a Raspberry Pi project almost 10 years ago (with an original Pi model B+) where I built a super minimal OS image with a custom kernel because I wanted it to cold-boot really fast (I got it down to 5 seconds). Might be fun to play with that again, but now on note-taker hardware.
@fireborn I was surprised to learn that the team was apparently able to repurpose the nano editor to act more or less like the Braille 'n Speak. Maybe it's different with BRLTTY's speech output, but my experience using Speakup back in the day was that screen-oriented text console apps, like nano and lynx, weren't very intuitive to use with speech, certainly not the experience I'd want for a blindness-specific note-taker.
@fireborn Honestly I wouldn't bother with Lynx these days. The web is so JavaScript-dependent now that you might as well use one of the graphical browsers. Although I guess doing a custom interface on top of headless Chromium could be interesting.
People who use screen readers! The level three headings are now removed from GitHub repository landing page file tables.
It might take a bit for the changes to propagate, and don't forget you might need to refresh your browser tabs. Please let me know if they still persist after that, and I'll try and get to the bottom of it. #accessibility
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Bylo by fajn, kdyby některé fičury z Phanpy převzal i oficiální Mastodon. Jednou to přijít musí, lidi nebudou chtít používat 20 let staré UI pořád. Nebo možná ti staří ano, ale nepřitáhne to nikoho nového.
@michal souhlasím že oficiální mastodon frontend moc nejde používat. mně to rozdělení vývoje na federalizovaný backend a frontendy prezentující obsah uživateli celkem dává smysl. Mastodon není all-in-one jako Twitter.
@michal @ruza Počkat, vy využíváte oficiální Mastodon web? Já to měl vždycky jako rezervu v kufru auta. Je to hnusný, žlutý, jede to 80 max, ale když je fakt nouze, tak to funkci splní
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Jinak super fičura je Catch-up, zobrazí to krásnej chronologickej souhrn z danýho časovýho úseku.
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The english REAPER Accessibility Dropbox folder has finally been replaced by a self-hosted solution that no longer eats up your Dropbox resources and doesn't require an invitation. Its just open for everyone! It has taken us about a year of tinkering to get it into a stable condition, but as of this day, the REAPER Dropbox is out of order. You can find The Hoard under hoard.reaperaccessibility.com/ now, with optional WebDAV support under webdav.hoard.reaperaccessibili…. Make yourself at home everyone.
Yay! Does that mean that every second post on the RWP list will no longer be a "add me to the Dropbox folder" request? :) But seriously, this is awesome. Thanks for all of the work that went into this. Also, HFS looks like a very cool and accessible piece of software. I've never seen it before. Finally, the instructions mention that Windows File Explorer WebDav access is super buggy. Out of interest, what were the problems? I haven't tried it much, but was eventually able to access it with this path: \\webdav.hoard.reaperaccessibility.com@ssl\DavWWWRoot
@jcsteh The Windows WebDAV implementation just can't do permissions right. It works if you're allowed to do all you want on the server, but as soon as you are forbidden to do certain things (especially delete files/folders), it'll hang up if you try to do so and even crash the entire network mount in the process. The only way to fix it is to actualy remove and reconnect, at least as far as we tried.
@jcsteh Its kinda fine for admins yeah, although it sometimes gets hickups with the Windows-only locking mechanism as it seems, but it generally works quite okay-ish. Yeah for users who just download stuff it works fine, uploading works too as long as you only upload to the Uploads folder, if you try something else (which you aren't permitted to do as a normal user) you'll encounter similar issues like the ones I mentioned before.
Fair enough. I feel a bit "caveat emptor" about that - if a user tries to do something they're not supposed to do, they get to deal with the consequences - but I guess that's not a conversation you want to keep having with people, heh. I was just wondering whether it might be an easier alternative than WinSCP for most folks, since they can just hit enter on a shortcut and off they go without any additional software.
@jcsteh Yep, that is what we thought here too. In the end Scott decided to not advertise it in this way because we didn't want to dive into the "we're troubleshooting broken WebDAV connections every day on RWP" rabbithole. We still hope that the HFS only WebDAV implementation might actually be able to fix the MS errors server-side, as we're currently using a custom Nginx-based solution that is just bad to configure properly and pretty outdated. But HFS WebDAV isn't quite there yet.
@jcsteh Na its fine, I would have loved to offer them to connect it to Windows Explorer just like Mac people can mount it in Finder, and it basically works, people are using it already that way if they know about it, but this way we don't need to support it. Scott just decided against it. We'll test as soon as HFS builds its own WebDAV and maybe we'll be able to finally officially support it then.
@jcsteh fwiw ms is depricating WebDAV in windows 10 and 11, so it’s probably a good idea to push people toward alternative clients because it might eventually just stop working randomly learn.microsoft.com/en-us/wind…
@jcsteh @pitermach Awesome. And here I thought MS would be able to at least support one file transfer protocol that isn't SMB within Explorer. I mean, they do support unencrypted FTP I guess, or at least they did at some point, but who wants to do unencrypted FTP nowadays? Too bad that most alternative mount solutions like Netdrive or Mountainduck are either inaccessible or paid.
@jcsteh @pitermach it installs WinFSP, but then can't find the service lol. I've checked that the service is definitely running, WinFSP.Launcher, have also restarted the service and the software. Tried running both as admin. No worky.
@jcsteh @pitermach Rclone seems to mount the Reaper folder as a drive without fuss. I realise its command-line-ness isn't for everyone, but I wonder if it's feasible to create a simple way of getting it running in the background for folks.
@jscholes @jcsteh @pitermach We tried that one too before putting the Hoard out there, and found it to be to complicated as we couldn't find a way to basically makes it easy to use for everyone. We've got quite a few people on the list who can just do REAPER and don't work to much with a computer apart from that, setting it up on their own would be to complicated. Everyone more experienced can obviously use it anyway though.
Right. And if they had to go through the standard flow of installing it, putting it in their PATH, configuring a remote, and mounting it, I would agree. But we use it at work in scripts, taking advantage of its ability to work without any predefined setup or config file at all. So I'm just curious if there is some sort of packaged-up thing that could live in the folder; you download it, run it, done. Maybe there isn't, particularly if the mounting functionality requires a separate dependency (I don't remember). @jcsteh @pitermach
@jscholes @jcsteh I don’t recall needing a separate dependency on Windows for rclone mounts. On Mac you need Fuse but Finder can already mount webdav so that’s a non issue
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